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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:47 am to
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:47 am to
Well we appreciate you citing and linking Chitown….

Now what about CLOV?? Dumped some in it last week, looking bueno
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:28 am to
Supposed to get individual shareholder count at some point today for AMC. Not exactly sure what’s expected, but this share count is supposed to expose all of these synthetic shares - allegedly.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:34 am to
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They're forced to buy every stock in the 1000? And hold every one for a year? Sorry, but that sounds like bullshite.

Link?


If the stock is in the index, an index fund must buy it. That’s the entire idea with passive funds/ETFs. That being said, Russell has said neither GME nor AMC will be moved into the 1000 at the moment, even though their market cap would suggest they do. Also, if they move into the 1000 then they fall out of the 2000, so it’s not like it’s purely institutional adds. There will be sales because of the change too.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 7:35 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:38 am to
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You miss out on CLOV as well?


Y’all can have the meme stocks.
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:39 am to
What are you expecting from AMC movement today?
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12767 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:43 am to
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What are you expecting from AMC movement today?
You must be doing a contrarian play if you are asking Slackster about price movement on AMC!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:43 am to
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What are you expecting from AMC movement today?


I’d imagine the stock stays relatively flat until the share announcement, and then, who knows? If they come out and say retail owns 250% or the shares outstanding, then it likely skyrockets. If they come out and say retail owns 80-100%? You would think the stock plummets because the naked shorts idea would be blown up at that point, but I’m not convinced this stock will do what it’s supposed to do any time soon.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89785 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:44 am to
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You must be doing a contrarian play if you are asking Slackster about price movement on AMC!


Don’t be upset, you can share your thoughts on the price movement today too. Still sticking with an 80% up move?
Posted by PenguinPubes
Frozen Tundra
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:48 am to
And when are they supposed to announce the ownership of stocks?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89785 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:58 am to
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And when are they supposed to announce the ownership of stocks?


They said they expect to release it no later than 6/9.

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AMC expects to receive an approximate count of the number of individual shareholders whose trades have settled as of June 2 and will release this information as soon as it is available, which is currently anticipated to be no later than June 9.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 8:02 am
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34042 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:02 am to
Ah, so this is a perfect Greyparrot moment, where you're either intentionally misleading or you don't know the details yourself. I'd bet its both. You say this

quote:

Index funds are forced to buy stocks that are included in the Russell 1000 and hold for a 1 year minimum. 


Which taken at face value implies that many or all index funds are a) required to buy it, and b) required to hold for 1 year.

Here's what you quoted

quote:

Vanguard Russell 1000 Index Fund


quote:

The Advisor attempts to replicate the target index by investing all, or substantially all, of its assets in the stocks that make up the index, holding each stock in approximately the same proportion as its weighting in the index.


So it's not "index funds", it's "an" index fund (singular) and i see no mention of the 1 year holding "requirement".

So to answer your question "what do I think is gonna happen?"

My answer: jack shite.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34042 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:05 am to
quote:

individual shareholder count


quote:

share count


So which are we getting? Both? After many searches I've found no information on how this alleged share count would actually work and how it would reveal information that is not captured elsewhere all along.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34042 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:08 am to
quote:

Still sticking with an 80% up move?


Baw, it's 6/9, today is the day it hits $280. BAM called it and HE'S NEVER WRONG
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12767 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:08 am to
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Don’t be upset, you can share your thoughts on the price movement today too. Still sticking with an 80% up move?

Upset? You have me very misunderstood! I am ecstatic!

Here's what I think:

Looking at trading in the early morning hours, it appears that hedges really are trying to drive the price down ahead of the news, in order to create some panic in retail. That, and a concerted effort to push CLOV. As you know, retail has no ability to trade before 7am, and most retail can't trade until the bell. Yet, the price has been dropped on a relatively small amount of shares.

Now let's talk charts. Bollinger bands have narrowed over the last few trading days, and if you don't know what that indicates, I'll help you out. That is a strong indication that price is about to increase.

Now combine what we know. 80% of AMC stock is owned by retail. Calls are exploding in price. The financial news stations are increasingly doing pro-squeeze segments, and basically saying what has been said on various forums for months. Downward price movement during times when retail has limited ability to trade. News is imminent. Chart indicates consolidation over the last few trading days.

All that just reinforces my belief that a sharp increase in price is on the horizon. The hedges will put up a fight initially, but when the first one starts covering the rest will fall in line and that's when we see the fireworks. Today just may be the day, that some will remember as the day they became rich.

Just for a historical analogy, I'll also post this. Do you see the similarities?
LINK

Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12767 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:11 am to
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So it's not "index funds", it's "an" index fund (singular) and i see no mention of the 1 year holding "requirement".

Damn! Does the special needs home allow you to use the computer this early in the morning, or did you sneak in while no one was looking.

I gave an EXAMPLE using a very well known index fund. Does your feeble brain not realize that other funds do the same?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34042 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:30 am to
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I gave an EXAMPLE using a very well known index fund. Does your feeble brain not realize that other funds do the same?


And they're all required to hold for 1 year? I still don't see that requirement anywhere in writing.

And, of course there's this little tidbit which I would say is relevant. But of course you either intentionally left this out or didn't pick it up yourself.

quote:


How to Tell If AMC, GameStop Can Make the Russell 1000

Joanna Ossinger

June 8, 2021, 1:18 am

(Bloomberg) -- The Russell Reconstitution is a big deal every year, but this time, potential changes for GameStop Corp. and AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc. make it interesting for a broader swath of investors than normal.
The annual reconstitution of Russell’s U.S. family of indexes accounts for market changes in the previous year, and it affects more than $10.6 trillion in investor assets benchmarked to, or invested in, products based on the Russell U.S. Indexes, according to its website. Trading volumes on U.S. exchanges also tend to be among the heaviest of the year around the event.
Will AMC and GameStop be moved into the large-cap Russell 1000 from the small-cap Russell 2000? The key date was May 7.

The reconstitution ranks and market cap breaks for the Russell Indexes are determined based on information available on rank day -- this year, May 7 -- according to Catherine Yoshimoto, FTSE Russell’s director of product management. An existing Russell 2000 index member would have had to have a total market cap exceeding $7.3 billion in order to move into the Russell 1000 index, she said.
Going by that, AMC -- with a market cap of $4.28 billion on May 7 -- would fall short of inclusion, while GameStop and its $11.97 billion market cap would make it.




But hey, maybe you're talking about mid-year 2022
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 8:36 am
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12767 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:32 am to
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And they're all required to hold for 1 year? I still don't see that requirement anywhere in writing.

The worst type of dumbass, is the one that doesn't realize he's a dumbass. Congrats on being #1 at something.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
27971 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:35 am to
BAM still saying we are hitting 280 today?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34042 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:36 am to
quote:

The worst type of dumbass, is the one that doesn't realize he's a dumbass. Congrats on being #1 at something.





Look above your post parrot boy
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
16060 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:41 am to
This is no bueno.
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