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Help me with my IRA understanding

Posted on 10/28/17 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Lickitty Split
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Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/28/17 at 6:48 pm
When I was in high school many years ago, a teacher said something about investing in IRAs early. That it would be worth a million dollars if you contributed the maximum every year to an IRA.

Are there any IRAs where there is a set % return or does the IRA just mean you invest in stocks or funds and you get tax breaks for it being in an IRA? I’m just confused because I could have sworn this guy told us you invest at to the cap and you’d be a millionaire Just on this investing by the time your 65.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45814 posts
Posted on 10/28/17 at 6:52 pm to
An IRA is like and umbrella and your investments fall under the umbrella to protect you from taxes. Some IrAs take taxes money in and produce tax free money on the withdraw other types take free money on the front end and produce taxed money on the withdrawal
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/28/17 at 7:33 pm to
IRA is just a place to put money. If you invest the max amount yearly in the IRA in a total stock market fund, you'll likely be a millionaire in 30-40 years. Historical returns of something like 7-8%.

You could also keep your money in cash, bonds, etc.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3383 posts
Posted on 10/28/17 at 8:26 pm to
I remember being confused about this also back when teachers recommended this to us. Think of it like a special label that you apply normal financial things.You can have an IRA savings account, that increases a very small percentage in value each year like a regular savings account. You can have an IRA Certificate of Deposit, that increases a slightly bigger but still tiny amount. You can open an IRA investment account to hold shares of stocks, bonds or mutual funds that can increase or decrease dramatically in value over time. You can only give the IRA label to a certain amount of your money each year, and there are special rules that make you pay a big penalty if you take that money out of the IRA before you're 59.5 years old.

Your teacher was probably basing this amount on something he or she read somewhere, which would've assumed that your IRA money would increase by an average value over time. For example, the stocks/bonds/mutual funds you hold might increase in value dramatically one year and decrease dramatically the next, but if the increases and decreases average out to x% over time then you'd have a million dollars by age y.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/29/17 at 8:21 am to
An IRA is simply a kind of brokerage account with special rules regarding contributions and withdrawals. Once you put money into an IRA you can then invest stocks, bonds, funds, etc. just like you can a regular brokerage account. Just about everyone is better off investing in something like a target retirement fund and not trying to pick stocks.

The idea is to contribute as much as possible up to the legal limit for the year (currently $5500) and do this year in and year out. Eventually you'll look at the account and realize you have a pretty good pile. If you do it for an entire working career it can be a really good pile.

There are two major kinds of IRA - the traditional and the Roth. The main difference between the two is that if you contribute to the traditional, then you get to deduct that amount from your income tax bill. When you start taking money out in retirement, it's treated as ordinary income and is taxable. If you try to take any of it out *before* retirement there are stiff penalties, so this isn't advisable.

With the Roth you contribute after paying taxes so it isn't deductible. OTOH, you can pull it back out anytime you like without any penalty at all, and anything you earn is tax-free too when you are retired. This means that you don't need to worry about putting money in an emergency fund unless you've already maxed your Roth contribution for the year.

tl/dr; IRA's are accounts that give you better tax treatment than an ordinary brokerage account.

Protip - 401(k)'s also come in traditional and Roth varieties and have much higher contribution limits, but they are employer-sponsored whereas the IRA is entirely within your control. They are good too though.
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1282 posts
Posted on 10/29/17 at 9:55 am to
When the IRA stuff was created in the early 80's interest rates were skyhigh (middle to high teens). I was at LSU at the time. Billboards all over town with the banks advertising 2000$ year in an IRA and retire a millionaire. Rates came back to reality and shattered that dream.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Billboards all over town with the banks advertising 2000$ year in an IRA and retire a millionaire. Rates came back to reality and shattered that dream.


The problem is that if inflation had remained as high as it was then, $1 million in 30 years wouldn't have been worth much.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27077 posts
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:21 am to
It's not like the "IRA millionaire" is exactly a myth at this point. If you start contributing at 18 years old and max contributions every year, you will have over a million dollars in your account by the age of 65 even with a conservative return of 5%.

The problem is that most people don't start maxing contributions at 18 and don't compensate for the compounding problem this creates. I've spoken to people who claim it's "completely unrealistic" to have a decent nest egg by retirement age, only to find out that they didn't start investing until they were 35.
This post was edited on 10/29/17 at 11:25 am
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1282 posts
Posted on 10/29/17 at 9:22 pm to
Foshizzle you're exactly right. Even in this low inflation era I have this argument with people all the time. If you apply the 4-5% draw a year rule to a million dollars that's 40-50K a year. You're not exactly filthy rich and living high if you retire early on that.
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