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re: Haynesville Shale
Posted on 5/26/08 at 9:38 pm to TigerDog83
Posted on 5/26/08 at 9:38 pm to TigerDog83
Thanks for your reply. As I said, just this morning I was informed that I should develop some "awareness" of the Haynesville Shale. So, in between looking for references online to the Haynesville and checking to see who LSU's opponents would be for the regional this weekend, I came across this thread on tigerdroppings. I never would have expected to find BOTH on this list! Thanks, again.
Posted on 5/26/08 at 9:48 pm to beauthelab
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Thanks for your reply. As I said, just this morning I was informed that I should develop some "awareness" of the Haynesville Shale. So, in between looking for references online to the Haynesville and checking to see who LSU's opponents would be for the regional this weekend, I came across this thread on tigerdroppings. I never would have expected to find BOTH on this list! Thanks, again.
Look at Petrohawk's website. Look under presentations, and their recent IPAA presentation slides. This will show you a map with the prospective area outlined and will give you a general outline of the shale on a log. Chesapeake who has discovered the shale to be producable through horizontal drilling (they weren't the first to drill into it actually), is being much less generous with information. Check out this presentation as well as anything Goodrich Petroleum has released and it should give you a better understanding of the geology and economics.
Posted on 5/27/08 at 3:35 pm to DandyPimp
My father-in-law is one of the landowners. Leasing is $3,250/acre....he'll make some good coin for the forseeable future
Posted on 5/27/08 at 9:02 pm to SECBengal
Look for some more news in the next week.
TigerDog, have you heard about the well in East Texas that was flaring last week.
TigerDog, have you heard about the well in East Texas that was flaring last week.
This post was edited on 5/27/08 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 5/27/08 at 11:14 pm to Zach
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I've seen this before in wild cat wells.
Is the distance the same for an onshore wildcat well as for off shore?
Posted on 5/28/08 at 7:56 am to BayouBengal
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TigerDog, have you heard about the well in East Texas that was flaring last week.
No, haven't heard much about East Texas. Did a well have a good IP rate? There have been few penetrations across the line, but I have been told that the shale stops at Carthage and is going to be found mainly in Southeast Harrison, East Panola, and Shelby counties in Texas.
Posted on 5/28/08 at 8:38 am to TigerDog83
I have not heard of an IP. There is suppose to be a press release, but that is all that I know. I was wondering if you knew more.
Posted on 5/28/08 at 10:22 am to TigerDog83
I did some number crunching from the Petrohawk slides on the Haynesville Shale. If i'm wrong in my math please correct me. One slide showed possible recoverable gas per section (640 acres) in the Haynesville Shale as 45-55 Bcfe. Assuming that natural gas is trading at $12 per Mcfe, that's $.012 per cubic feet of gas. Multiply .012 times 50 billion and you get 600 million dollars. Take a 25% royalty on that and you have $150,000,000 in royalties to the landowner of 640 acres. So that comes out to $234,375 in royalties per acre. Wow that really sounds too good to be true. I think my math is off by scale somewhere, can anybody check my math? Thanks.
This post was edited on 5/28/08 at 10:33 am
Posted on 5/28/08 at 11:03 am to GeneralLee
I believe your math is pretty correct, but you also have to figure in LA state severance taxes (I think about 7% right now for these wells until they get even greedier), and you can't assume a gas price of $12. I would probably use $7.00 as a conservative figure. Think of it like this; at $10 gas, a BCF of gas is worth roughly 10 million dollars minus severance taxes. These kinds of recoveries of 25-50 BCF per section are entirely possible. Technology will also evolve, and these shales could be producing for 50-100 years. Production will vary also by section somewhat.
This post was edited on 5/28/08 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/28/08 at 2:35 pm to TigerDog83
well, i'm just hearing of the haynesville shale discovery. Unfortunately, I live out of town but own 7 acres in the Goldonna area (Natachitoches Parish) so i'm trying to find out any verified information i can. Thank you guys in advance for anything you can share relative to any news near my area.
Posted on 5/28/08 at 2:39 pm to TigerDog83
Yeah I think looking back at those slides that that 45-55 BCF figure was for that one well that had 222' HV shale. I wasn't calculating taxes or anything when i came up with those royalty figures. With that kind of money, Uncle Sam will be taking about half of it before it's all said and done.
I can't believe that PetroHawk would publicly release information like that. Must be true that they are mainly interested in being sold to other companies.
I can't believe that PetroHawk would publicly release information like that. Must be true that they are mainly interested in being sold to other companies.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 11:54 am to TigerDog83
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Production will vary also by section somewhat
This is the understatement of the year. What people don't understand is that even in outstanding fields, on average 1 out of 3 wells actually pay off. The type of pay off talked about here is probaly a one in a thousand type well. That being said though, there will be some that hit it big. Not everyone in South Caddo, South Bossier, and DeSoto parish is going to be an instant millionaire.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 12:21 pm to LSU0358
I posted earlier yesterday any idea if there is activity in the Natchitoches Parish area. I signed 2 Seismic Contracts in Jan of this year
Posted on 5/29/08 at 12:42 pm to LSU0358
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This is the understatement of the year. What people don't understand is that even in outstanding fields, on average 1 out of 3 wells actually pay off.
When they say a well is 222' HV shale, does that mean that the formation is 222 feet "thick"? So the thicker the better? Sorry I don't know much about well terminology.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 12:59 pm to GeneralLee
Yes, it means the formation is 222 feet thick. In general the thicker the formation the better.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 1:01 pm to GeneralLee
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This is the understatement of the year. What people don't understand is that even in outstanding fields, on average 1 out of 3 wells actually pay off. The type of pay off talked about here is probaly a one in a thousand type well. That being said though, there will be some that hit it big. Not everyone in South Caddo, South Bossier, and DeSoto parish is going to be an instant millionaire.
Therein lies the difference in these unconventional gas plays (shale, tight gas). Unlike conventional fields where a minority of the wells will be economic producers, in these repeatable resource plays like shale gas a minority of the wells fail to become economic producers. The reason acreage costs escalate so high is that there is a premium large companies pay for this mitigated dry hole risk. These types of plays are very repeatable and predictable compared to the conventional plays drilled since the 1900's in Louisiana (high permeability). The resource is there and the difficulty is reducing well costs to make the play profitable. There will be very few dry holes drilled in a shale play like this.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 1:09 pm to TigerDog83
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There will be very few dry holes drilled in a shale play like this.
I agree with you on that, but people around here (I live in Bossier) are acting like every hole punched in the ground is going to produce 30 million cubic feet of gas a day. I've heard people talking who think the 1 acre they own in a subdivision is going to make them independently wealthy overnight. Not that a $3,500 pay day up front with a few thousand a year is something to scoff at...
This post was edited on 5/29/08 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 5/29/08 at 1:16 pm to LSU0358
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I agree with you on that, but people around here (I live in Bossier) are acting like every hole punched in the ground is going to produce 30 million cubic feet of gas a day. I've heard people talking who think the 1 acre they onw in a subdivision is going to make them independently wealthy overnight. Not that a $3,500 pay day up front with a few thousand a year is something to scoff at...
I agree with you that very few people really understand what is going on. The key to making a big profit as a landowner or small company is to hold acreage/overriding royalty/royalty interests over large blocks of land, thereby owning interests in a large number of wells. Those people with 1/8 of an acre in town with interests in only a couple of wells are not going to make the fortune they think.
Posted on 5/29/08 at 1:50 pm to TigerDog83
I feel torn now on high energy prices... it would probably help the landowners the most if oil and gas continued to increase in price. Don't think folks will be caring about $4 gasoline much when they are getting millions in royalties.
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