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re: Gold (took a small short position today on 5/25)

Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:12 pm to
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Anyone bought physical gold yet? I might get some allocated bars.

Only a little... But I have pile of silver.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:12 pm to
You can buy a 1 kilo bar for $42.5k+:

Tulving

Hell, get 5 or 6 of them while you are at it.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:05 pm to
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I don't think it's that big of player in gold prices


So if you don't mind me asking, what is?

It seems to me that most of gold's price right now is composed of people sitting on the sidelines to avoid investing in equities, real estate, or the Great Bond Bubble. So if Fed policies cause asset prices to start rising again, it seems like a lot of people will start leaving gold behind and jumping back into other assets.

Now if you're saying that international events could trigger a surge into gold, then that's a theory that might make sense to me. I'm just wondering what in particular you have in mind.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 1/28/11 at 9:30 pm to
Some people trimmed their gold holdings and re-evaluated their portfolios when chaos broke out in Egypt. They realized they should have more exposure, especially over this weekend. The current jump in price was a result of some of this.

What I'd like to know is when would be a good time to jump in Egypt's stock market? It's down from about 7000 to 5300, and dropping. Of course their currency is dropping too. Finance shows are expecting a big drop Sun.
Posted by tigerfan4444
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:44 am to
Put me down for two pallets.
Posted by tigerfan4444
Member since Apr 2008
702 posts
Posted on 1/29/11 at 12:48 am to
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I entered heavily into gold today...anything south of 1280 I'll be out


What do you mean? What did you do exactly?
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 1/29/11 at 7:11 am to
Got about 10k in gold and silver, bought heavily at 900 an oz gold and 11oz silver. 50 oz silver for every 1oz gold is the rule of thumb for most. goldprice.org has great commentary on gold and silver and really explains the market in laymans terms to show why gold is moving one way or the other.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8085 posts
Posted on 1/29/11 at 2:27 pm to
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What did you do exactly?


gold Mutual fund and futures.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 1/29/11 at 6:19 pm to
What are the differences between owning GLD and physical gold other than liquidity and transaction costs?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8085 posts
Posted on 1/30/11 at 1:36 pm to
With GLD you don't get hit with the gold brokers 2-10% profit. With physical gold brokers usually buy at several percent under the spot price and sell at several percent over spot price.

With GLD you are just hit with the transaction costs, which should not be close to the cost when dealing with physical gold.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/30/11 at 1:43 pm to
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With physical gold brokers usually buy at several percent under the spot price and sell at several percent over spot price.
Right. That's actually the 'transaction cost' I was referring to.
This post was edited on 1/30/11 at 1:54 pm
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8085 posts
Posted on 1/30/11 at 1:54 pm to
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That's actually the 'transaction cost' I was referring to.


Thought you were talking about to buy the stock.

Another difference would be that one can use leverage with GLD or futures...
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8085 posts
Posted on 4/8/11 at 4:08 pm to
Gold closed out the week at 1473 on the cash market, finally braking out of the trading range it's been in since roughly November. I've made a few additions on my initial position entered in January and will now wait out what I think is going to be a move to the 1700 level in the next 1-2 months. I personally think that 2000 / ounce is not out of the question.
This post was edited on 4/8/11 at 4:11 pm
Posted by koolrat12
Member since Jan 2011
46 posts
Posted on 4/9/11 at 6:28 pm to
Quick question. Can you invest in GLD and SLV with the discount stock brokers? The 8 dollar a trade type firms?
Posted by saint308
LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/9/11 at 6:35 pm to
I would imagine so.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26709 posts
Posted on 4/9/11 at 7:55 pm to
Yes, you can.
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Posted on 4/9/11 at 8:55 pm to
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The 8 dollar a trade type firms?


Why would you not be able to do this?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8085 posts
Posted on 4/9/11 at 9:13 pm to
Yes...though view anything you enter in the next month or two as a trade (my guess is we see a very significant correction after a 300-600 dollar move, so you'd need to exit at some point), not an investment.
Posted by RasinCane
Member since Mar 2011
147 posts
Posted on 4/10/11 at 3:15 am to
Hello, I'm curious about what event/events you see that would bring a large correction in PMs after a possible run up to ~ $1700?
I will go out on a limb and give you my take on what is going to happen (about like a coin toss, and not investment advice). Fed stops QE around the end of May or makes an announcement that they will not continue QE past June. After all, they cannot know what the effects of QE have been/will be until they step back from QE. Dollar strengthens, commodities take a hit, equities take a hit, treasuries strengthen, real estate continues to bump along going nowhere. But nothing has been solved from the 2008 melt down so the underlying problems that have been papered over are still in place. Wages remain stagnant, jobs remain stagnant as all the QE works it's way through the economy and shows up as more price increses in items needed to sustain life. Cessation of QE sees enormous amounts of money flow back into treasuries and the dollar is stronger for a time. After QE stops food/fuel, which are conveniently excluded from the CPI, continue to rise in price for some months, so continue to monitor the CRB index. What is missing from this picture? A driver for jobs. So we still have a jobless recovery (an oxymoron). Continue to monitor the per cent of people employed vs the people eligible for employment as this filters out some of the gov approved stats. The housing sector losing value has hit individual's percieved wealth hard and this has helped the CPI official numbers (equiv rent numbers). Meanwhile, real everyday needs have increased in price and is hammering disposable income of those at the low end. What next?
We are Japanese if you please. We are Japanese if you don't please. Not saying the outcome in the US will be identical but it might be similar; in Japan equities crashed followed by real estate crash followed by Japanese version of QE. JCB proceeded with QE and watched as equities gained. JCB stopped QE and watched as equities crashed. JCB resisted QE for about two years and then restarted it. Result? Japan has debt of 200% of GDP and equities and real estate still in the doldrums. Where now brown cow?
Cash now and short dated Ts when interest rates increase; and interest rates will increase when the Fed stops QE. I know, the dollar is taking a beating now but a stop to QE will strengthen it for a time and, not to worry, the Fed will telegraph it's return to QE, after it becomes obvious that the economy is floundering. That will be the time to return to equities and/or commodities. For those holding physical commodities; sit tight and ride it out. The Fed is the economy and there is little sense of fighting them with your dollars. Fighting them politically is another matter.
BTW, these are my honest personal opinions. I assume this forum is here to facilitate an exchange of ideas. If you consider this post to be a 'flame' then you are, in effect, seeking a quorum not a forum.
This post was edited on 4/10/11 at 5:01 am
Posted by tagatose
South Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 4/10/11 at 5:12 am to
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If you consider this post to be a 'flame' then you are, in effect, seeking a quorum not a forum.


Watch out. Here come the e-bullies.
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