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Fannie Mae Reports Massive Q3 Loss, Asks For Another $15 Bil

Posted on 11/5/09 at 5:27 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
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Posted on 11/5/09 at 5:27 pm
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 11/5/09 at 5:44 pm to
Just more return for us taxpayers on those great government investments.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 6:14 pm to
I guess that is what happens when so many borrowers start believing it's acceptable to walk away from a loan obligation simply because they think it's in their best interest.

It's a shame our society has devolved to that.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27822 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 7:35 pm to
Doesn't this go back to the government pushing for loans to those with riskier profiles?
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2472 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 7:52 pm to
What is the stat? Fannie, Freddie and FHA now account for like a 1/3 of US mortgage funds? Yeah, this will end well.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 8:59 pm to
I think its much higher than that if you're talking about the GSEs+ GNM. I'm about to read through the Q.
Posted by Reauxhan
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2005
169 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:14 pm to
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I think its much higher than that if you're talking about the GSEs+ GNM. I'm about to read through the Q.


You're going to read the entire Q?? God bless ya, dude.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:18 pm to
It's only 228 pages. I'll probably read it until ~11:30, then go watch SAS/UTAH, and finish the rest tomorrow.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:25 pm to
FWIW:
quote:


, Fannie Mae MBS held by third parties and other credit enhancements that we provide on mortgage assets, was $3.2 trillion as of June 30, 2009, or approximately 26.9% of total U.S. residential mortgage debt outstanding.


From teh Q.
Posted by Reauxhan
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2005
169 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:29 pm to
If Armageddon lies in those pages, do us a favor and give us a little heads up, eh? I haven't bought any ammo yet, just gold.
Posted by Reauxhan
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2005
169 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

FWIW:

quote:

, Fannie Mae MBS held by third parties and other credit enhancements that we provide on mortgage assets, was $3.2 trillion as of June 30, 2009, or approximately 26.9% of total U.S. residential mortgage debt outstanding.



From teh Q.


I'm guessing the number you're thinking of that's much higher than that is the % of mortgage originations they comprise now?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:35 pm to
No, just that number that compromises FNM FRE and GNM.

ETA: GSE's don't orginate any mortgages. Again, per the Q:
quote:


Under our charter, we may not lend money directly to consumers in the primary mortgage market.
This post was edited on 11/5/09 at 9:37 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:48 pm to
Here you go:

quote:

The mortgage market is still dependent on government- affiliated programs, with private banks providing just 10 percent of loan liquidity, down from about 60 percent in 2006, Williams said in September. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are responsible for about 70 percent of all new mortggages this year, while the Federal Housing Administration accounts for about 20 percent, Williams said.


So yeah, 90%.

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Posted by Reauxhan
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2005
169 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:51 pm to
Oh duh, I knew that. Thx

Edit: wrote that before I saw you posted the 90% number, meant regarding their not being originators. Thanks for digging up the stat. I did not know that number.
This post was edited on 11/5/09 at 10:37 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51382 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 9:55 pm to
in case you haven't noticed, the unemployment rate is near ten percent, higher if you use other categories. you can't blame the majority of this on people walking away but a bad economy and people simply can't afford their homes when they don't have jobs. Two things take it badly in such an economy: Housing sales and car sales. Now people are out of work and Fannie is going to take a major hit.

Not to mention all the 100% my community mortgages it gave to people with 570 credit scores or 10 investment properties it financed at90% LTV for stated income/verified assets borrowers.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 10:05 pm to
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Upon receipt of those funds from Treasury, the aggregate liquidation preference of our senior preferred stock, including the initial liquidation preference of $1.0 billion, will equal $60.9 billion and the annualized dividend on the senior preferred stock will be $6.1 billion, based on the 10% dividend rate. This dividend obligation exceeds our reported annual net income for five of the past seven years and will contribute to increasingly negative cash flows in future periods if we continue to pay the dividends on a quarterly basis. If we do not pay the dividend quarterly and in cash, the dividend rate would increase to 12% annually, and the unpaid dividend would accrue and be added to the liquidation preference of the senior preferred stock, further increasing the amount of the annual dividends.


....................................HA.
This post was edited on 11/5/09 at 10:07 pm
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

in case you haven't noticed, the unemployment rate is near ten percent, higher if you use other categories. you can't blame the majority of this on people walking away but a bad economy and people simply can't afford their homes when they don't have jobs. Two things take it badly in such an economy: Housing sales and car sales. Now people are out of work and Fannie is going to take a major hit.



Oh, he's noticed. He just thinks he's clever making pathetic, totally off-base jabs at me.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 10:31 pm to
Just cause I love amsterdam so much:
quote:


Our April 1, 2009 adoption of the FASB’s guidance on determining fair value when the volume and level of activity for the asset or liability have significantly decreased did not result in a change in our valuation techniques for estimating fair value.


Posted by TuDog
Boston
Member since Jun 2005
4153 posts
Posted on 11/5/09 at 10:36 pm to
Let him spew JT... dude is part of the Oligarchy
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 11/6/09 at 6:24 am to
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So yeah, 90%.


yeah this unwind is going to be a blast!
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