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re: Dont let today's fools gold fool you.

Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:20 am to
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:20 am to
Its funny because he basically refutes the argument in the post itself:

quote:

"It was helpful at the margin in easing financial conditions," said Josh Feinman, global chief economist at DB Advisors, Deutsche Bank's asset management firm.

The idea is that corporations will have easier access to capital, consumers will spend some of their new wealth and hiring will increase. But for a variety of reasons, including Japan's earthquake and Middle East conflict, growth slowed to a crawl in the first half of the year.
Posted by Wilfred
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
926 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:27 am to
The only thing that scares me is a psychological factor of a QE3 announcement could rock this short selling idea. If it wouldn't, please explain why.
Posted by Teacher
Member since Sep 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:32 am to
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baylor, baylor, he's our man,if he can't do it no one can



He has been spot on calling the top to sell at S&P 1365. We are down about 16 1/2 % since. If we get to 20% down we will be in a new cyclical bear market, which would mean a lower market for a longer time frame, just as his friend has said. S&P 1000-1020 is a maybe. Let's listen to Baylor until we stop making money.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 10:41 am to
Definitely could, see: indirect relationship.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:40 pm to
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Let's listen to Baylor until we stop making money.


Signed,

LTCM investors
Posted by Baylor
Member since May 2009
569 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:00 pm to
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The only thing that scares me is a psychological factor of a QE3 announcement could rock this short selling idea. If it wouldn't, please explain why.


1st off before anyone says my buddy is getting all fundamental I asked the same question you just did months ago. QE would not even be attempted if ever until at least sub 950 anyway.

His answer was QE3 would do nothing to stop the downward movement to 1000 or 800.

Like was said previously, the only thing that could throw a wrench on all this is a monster Government stimulus package in the form of at least 2 trillion or more.

In the event that that does happen he has a great plan B.

All you have to do at that point is get out of your short positions and play long.

This is exactly what happened on the ride from 670 to 1360.

No matter what happens a perfect plan is in place to profit.

This is no one trick pony. Every scenario is covered.

All you have to do is tune in and enjoy the ride.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 1:03 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:07 pm to
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Like was said previously, the only thing that could throw a wrench on all this is a monster Government stimulus package in the form of at least 2 trillion or more.



Posted by Baylor
Member since May 2009
569 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 1:16 pm to
A Government Stimulus package and QE3 are completely different things.

QE is FED controlled and a stimulus is Government controlled.

QE makes existing money more liquid.
Stimulus creates more money out of thin air.

QE would not have any effect whatsoever due to the fact that we dont have a money liquidity problem.

The problem is we have a lot of idle money thats not being used.

But thats a subject for a different day in a different thread that has no direct effect on any of the predictions in this thread at this time.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 1:19 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:29 pm to
Well then I won't argue with you, despite the fact that some of your assertions are wrong (although others are right), as this is your thread.
This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 2:33 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135436 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:59 pm to
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Well then I won't argue with you, despite the fact that some of your assertions are wrong (although others are right), as this is your thread.
Just bought UDOW for the ride up.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 11:15 pm to
Will Tripoli events cause market to temporarily rally?
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26710 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 11:17 pm to
quote:

Will Tripoli events cause market to temporarily rally?



No. HOWEVER, if the market does go up tomorrow, you can most certainly expect the headlines to read, "Markets up on signs of freedom in Libya"
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:52 am to
Just to brag alittle, I went in big late Friday and sold at the open today.

Posted by Baylor
Member since May 2009
569 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 12:18 pm to
Update

We should expect a chop from 1100 to 1200 for the next several weeks.

The good news is the floor may not be quite as dramatic as the 600ish level as previously thought.

800 is still in play, and 1000 is still certain.

But there is a chance that a floor is forming higher then worst case scenario.

This wont be 100% confirmed till we hit below 1000.

But for now expect a trading range between 1100 and 1200 until the next downside according to my friend.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88840 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 12:24 pm to
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Just to brag alittle, I went in big late Friday and sold at the open today.


link??????????? j/k
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

We should expect a chop from 1100 to 1200 for the next several weeks


boy that changed quickly from hitting 1000 within the next 5 days.
Posted by tims0912367
Member since Apr 2009
2598 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

boy that changed quickly from hitting 1000 within the next 5 days.


Gotta be labile.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135436 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 3:01 pm to
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Just bought UDOW for the ride up.
Bought Friday at close ~95 =>Sold this afternoon at 104. Decent money on a 5d trade.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

U S TREASURY INFLATION INDEX NOTE CPN 2.12500 % MTD 2041-02-15 DTD 2011-02-15


+37%, we all can play look what I'm up.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135436 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 7:17 pm to
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we all can play look what I'm up.

Congrats, but what a weird response.
Obviously we've all had successes, some fantasized; hell some (like your 37%) might even be real.

Perhaps you haven't followed the thread?
If not, you'd likely miss the purpose of the post.

It was intended as a "put your money where your mouth is" type thing. In the real world, with the market still unstable and bouncing off lows anticipated (vis a vis cited SSO and UDOW investments) as much higher than the S&P 800-level previously discussed, the effort was emphasis on taking advantage of the bounce rather than buying into cited technical analysis anticipating any upside investment would lose its arse.
K?

quote:

+37%, we all can play look what I'm up.
In the meantime please by all means, post 'em if you've got 'em. You've got expertise. I probably missed when you laid out your initial investment. I'm sure you did, I just missed it.

Some folks will claim a "good guess" after the fact though. As you know, after the fact claims are not really helpful, even in the unusual circumstance they're actually true. Generic observation, if there is something you're confident in, lay it out it when you are claiming to invest, not when you retrospectively claim to have profited.
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