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Diminished Vehicle Value Lowball, Now What?

Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:05 pm
So my wife’s vehicle was damaged by someone else. She swerved to miss them and hit a curve and fence. Did about $8000 of hood, fender and front suspension damage on a 2 month old $45,000 car. Their insurance paid and repaired it fine. Filed a diminished value claim since it now has a record. They’re trying to offer me $1200.

Anyone have experience with this? Is the best way to deal with them calling a lawyer? I see some online services called Wreck Check for example. Anyone ever use one of those? In Baton Rouge if that matters.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:16 pm to
None of this is actual legal advice, but I can tell you that I am litigating a diminished value claim right now and my client actually traded her vehicle in after the wreck and repairs so we know what the trade-in value was relative to the Kelly Blue Book value on the date of the trade-in, we have deposed the manager who evaluated her trade-in who confirmed his offer was due to the damage and the CarFax report he saw, and the insurance company still will not come within 50% of our number.

We have alleged bad faith and will be going to trial.

But remember you're a menace to society and responsible for insurance rates going up if you don't just bend over and take it from the insurance company

But in the spirit of being helpful, I think your wife should go try to trade her car in at 3 different places and let them pull the Carfax and make her an offer on her trade-in value. Make sure they write you up an invoice with what they are giving her for the trade-in. I'd then take the average of those three numbers and look at the KBB and NADA values of the car without damage and send that number along with the trade-in and NADA valuations to the insurance company and cite La. R.S. 22:1892(B)(1).
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Disgeaux Bob
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2016
2833 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:20 pm to
I went through a similar scenario two years ago. You can get an independent report giving you an estimate of the diminished value of your car. Insurance company offered me $500 and the report reflected $3100. After about a week of them slowly creeping up by $100 I called the gentleman who hit me and told him I was left with no other option but to take him to small claims court for the difference… $2600. I told him that it was nothing personal but his insurance company was not doing the right thing. I even mailed him a copy of the report. I encouraged him to call his company which he did. About 10 days later I finally settled with the insurance company for $2750. I would not get a lawyer as it’s going to eat up anything you should get from the insurance company. As long as the amount falls under the limit of your state small claim court provision you should be fine.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8362 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:23 pm to
Yeah no doubt. If they met me halfway I wouldn’t be researching this. They just said “this is what you get if you want it, no negotiating”.
Posted by Disgeaux Bob
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2016
2833 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:24 pm to
Once you have an independent report reflecting a hard number you’re in business. Negotiations miraculously reopen.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:25 pm to
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After about a week of them slowly creeping up by $100 I called the gentleman who hit me and told him I was going to take him to small claims court for the difference… $2600. I told him that it was nothing personal but his insurance company was not doing the right thing. I even mailed him a copy of the report. I encouraged him to call his company which he did. About 10 days later I finally settled with the insurance company for $2750.


As a lawyer, I could not do this, but I do not see why an unrepresented person cannot. They even put the other parties phone number on the accident report. And if you really wanted to educate the other party, you could send them a copy of Kelly v. State Farm LINK where State Farm was found to be liable to their insured for exposing them to an excess judgment. It's a neat little trick where the insured assigns his right to go against his own insurance company to you in exchange for not pursuing the excess against him, and then you get to file suit against the insurance company for their exposing their insured to an excess.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted by iron banks
Destrehan
Member since Jul 2014
3739 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 12:40 pm to
Boosiebadazz gives good advice here. Insurance companies negotiating in bad faith is common place and you have to hold their feet to the fire. If not they just turn and burn to the next overwhelmed claimant and continue this practice.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8362 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 1:43 pm to
Actually called a lawyer who noped out due to no injuries or other damages. They did suggest calling some company out of New Orleans. Did some more googling and came upon collision safety consultants. Vague name but might give them a shot to get that 3rd party opinion.

I tried getting the option of the used car manager at the dealership. He told me $4,000 was the difference. Insurance company told me that he was lying in case I was trying to trade it in. This wasn’t the case but whatever. Found a diminished value calculator online that estimates my lost value to be $4000-6000.

So I guess the next question is, what constitutes a reputable 3rd party report?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 1:54 pm to
Those reports are going to cost a few hundred dollars. Ask them to pay it as well. They'll say no, but you'll see who you are dealing with.
Posted by Disgeaux Bob
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2016
2833 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 1:55 pm to
I wish I could remember the name of the company that I used… I know that I found them through Google. If memory serves they pulled the Carfax report for the history and the body shop faxed them the detailed list of repairs to be made with the corresponding cost. I never actually met face-to-face with anyone from the company. I suppose you could do a better business bureau check or search Google for reviews. All I know is once the report was forwarded to the insurance company and I threatened to sue the guy who hit me personally the wheels started turning pretty quickly.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Anyone have experience with this? Is the best way to deal with them calling a lawyer? I see some online services called Wreck Check for example. Anyone ever use one of those? In Baton Rouge if that matters.



yea, it sucks and they never give you shite. I was young and just took what they gave me and ended up driving the car till it had 130k miles on it anyway, so it didn't matter.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10502 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 3:14 pm to
DVCHECK seems like a legit service. Plus they guarantee that your diminished value will be at least the cost of the report or you'll get your money back.
Posted by tigersnipen
Member since Dec 2006
2085 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 4:30 pm to
I used https://www.collisionclaims.com/

I paid for the top report, I had a new vehicle hit by someone and had $14,000 worth of damage done to the front end. I just paid for the report and sent it following their instructions to the insurance agency. The agent called me up and said they agree with the full amount and they would be sending me a check for $7200. They would not pay for the report but I didn't feel like fighting any longer. I'm sure if I pushed I could of had it paid as well.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1100 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

Boosiebadazz


Found the blood sucking PI attorney
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:59 pm to
Tell him he should take his $1200 offer and just be happy they even returned his call

Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8362 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:13 pm to
Thanks. Will look at them tomorrow. So the insurance company just takes it without a lawyer? I found a collision center in Baton Rouge that offers a service but they suggested I get a lawyer also. They want $500 just for their part.
Posted by tigersnipen
Member since Dec 2006
2085 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:56 pm to
Yeah they took it in my case. If you're buying a 500 dollar report, they probably assume you'd hire an attorney.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:17 am to
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I’ve worked as an adjuster for one of the big insurance companies. Each state has different laws regarding DOV claims. In LA you can present one as a claimant. Vehicle can’t be involved in a prior accident and can’t be a leased vehicle you have to own it.
They will most likely come at you with a range. He will start at the bottom and wait for a demand from you. Then it’s just all negotiating from there. Be reasonable and any good adjuster would meet you somewhere in the middle.
Also, your not suing for a DOV claim. As least I hope you wouldn’t waste your time. People need to learn the different of a claim and a law suit. Most attorneys won’t bother with anything to do with property damage. Their expertise is being total pieces of shite and running up Injury claims


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HarveyBanger


LINK

now it makes more sense.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 7:33 am
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8362 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 5:33 pm to
The representatives from the insurance company seem to really believe what they’re saying about their position on diminished value. I can’t believe someone would really buy in to what seems like a very disingenuous line of work. What’s more, my friend who sells insurance seems to buy in as well. I know him to be a good guy but man, he defends the way they do business.

Haven’t seen brainwashing that good since the Marine core.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80178 posts
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:30 pm to
I’ll defend adjusters a little bit and say that they see some absolutely ridiculous claims and practices from both claimants and some plaintiffs’ lawyers. I think it would do everyone good to walk a mile in the other’s shoes for a day or two.

But to your DV claim, I have it from the attorney himself that the insurance company in my case wouldn’t budge off their ridiculously low number “because DV claims just aren’t worth more than that” despite the testimony of the used car manager explaining how and why he offered what he did. The car in question was sold to a wholesaler for $500 more than he offered my client and the car has been sitting on that lot unsold... for three years

I think the industry itself has just taken the line that they are going to lowball you because they know most lawyers won’t get involved.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:32 pm
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