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Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:48 pm to
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:48 pm to
USAA card isn't publicly available to non-members though right?

I may get it some day if the other programs can't be leveraged any more.

Thanks for the membership pops.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:14 pm to
While the pros on this thread get great airline redemptions, I've never had the energy for it. Take a look at Hyatt redemptions. You will frequently get 2-3 cents per point in value. And while you can sometimes do better, any redemption that gets you 2 cents per point is reasonable in my mind. Never, ever take worse value than 1.5 cents per point, as that's what you can get just by using them straight up as a Reserve cardholder.

To expound on Hyatt redemptions, the point valuations are static. Put another way, each hotel is so many points per night, always. It doesn't matter how much the room currently costs. The Regency downtown in Houston is currently running about $200 per night, plus tax. I've stayed there at peak times, like when LSU played a baseball tournament this year, when it was flirting with $400 a night plus tax. Doesn't matter, still 12,000 points (and you pay no taxes).

The Hyatt French Quarter is another easy example. Frequently flirts with $500 per night, but as a Tier 4 property, it's only 20,000 points. Lots of value to be had in Hyatt redemptions.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:54 am to
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Lots of value to be had in Hyatt redemptions.


I agree with this 100%. I use Hyatt transfers often myself.

But

You have to be careful when you assign "CPP" to your redemptions. For ex, if you stay at a $400/nt hotel and paid 20K points for it, while there was another decent place across the street for $100, you can't quite say that you got 2 CPP for your redemption. The couple different instances you mentioned, football games, mardi gras etc - yes, for sure. That is the sweet spot you want to be in, but usually isn't the case.

Airline tix on the other hand are fixed. You don't really have an option but to buy at the prevailing rate. Which is why, for me, and for many others, airline tix are more valuable than anything else. Once I'm there, I can stay at an AirBnB and be just as happy, if not happier compared to staying at a Ritz.



TL;DR: Airline prices are fixed. You can almost always find cheap(er) accommodation once you're there.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:39 am to
That's completely fair.

With that said, those of us who don't live by a major airline hub tend to find airline redemptions extremely hard to come by, at least on point transfers. I imagine some of you would be horrified that I just dropped something like 150k points on a couple of flights to Japan via the UR portal, but it's 1.5 cent valuation, flying out of BTR, and it was zero headache, so it was worth it to me
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:01 am to
As long as you didn't find any award availability, and you would have paid cash for these flights anyway, then by no means is this a "bad" redemption. That's the beauty of fixed value points in fact.


In other news - I just got a $2,100 check back from Chase through CSRs Trip Cancellation Insurance. It was for the full amount that I was filing for. Amazing experience. Love this card even more now.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40834 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:27 am to
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With that said, those of us who don't live by a major airline hub tend to find airline redemptions extremely hard to come by


True. Unfortunately this requires using some other card or strategy to cover the flight from the small local airport to the hub, which may add a layer of difficulty someone doesn't want to deal with.

It is why I always book international business. Even if I have to pay a little bit to connect the gateway, say $350 a person, I'm so far ahead I don't care.

There is getting stuff "for free" and getting something better for a lot lower cost. I am fine with both strategies.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:29 am
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:38 pm to
Getting ready to book the MSY to LHR nonstop for a trip to visit family next June. Would like to get a card that provides a nice AAdvantage bump. What's the best current offer on a card I would open that would maximize miles for this?
Posted by Sho Nuff
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Member since Feb 2009
14004 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

In other news - I just got a $2,100 check back from Chase through CSRs Trip Cancellation Insurance. It was for the full amount that I was filing for. Amazing experience. Love this card even more now.

Would like to hear a little more detail on this one if you don't mind?

Also, on your other point about hotels, I do get points for air more and mostly use them for it but at the same time staying in a $1k+ per night room once in a blue moon is sweet too. To me that's the point of points, to do things you wouldn't pay for. But I do think that instead of using more points on a room you won't be in as much it might be better to upgrade your class from econ to premium on those points instead. I take it case by case.
Posted by Sho Nuff
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Getting ready to book the MSY to LHR nonstop for a trip to visit family next June. Would like to get a card that provides a nice AAdvantage bump. What's the best current offer on a card I would open that would maximize miles for this?



I'm sure Kop is better suited to answer but imo AA sucks arse now and I'm not sure if that's the best way to go. They do have a Citi Prestige offer of 75,000 points which you can use to fly AA and it's like buying the ticket instead of using miles. Not sure if that's better for your situation or not? Otherwise get some of the card with 50-60k offers I'm sure are floating around.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40834 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:35 pm to
Ya, there are the Barclay's and Citibank American cards that will rack up over 100k miles once you get them.

Problem is using the miles.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:14 pm to
Yeah. AA miles are good for me but bad for others. Location dependent.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:16 pm to
Thing is - usually its not that difficult to find award space on BA. But then again, that means high fuel surcharges. So you'd be paying 60K AA miles + $450ish in surcharges. If that is ok with you, I'd rather get the 100K BA card from chase and use 40K Avios per person RT. Fuel surcharges are the same. If prices are under $900, I'd get the Sapphire reserve and book the ticket through Chase Portal for 1.5c per point.

Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Would like to hear a little more detail on this one if you don't mind?


Earlier this summer we were going to the Philipines. The week of our departure, ISIS affiliates took over a city in South Philipines. 8 hours before our flight out, I cancelled the Philipine leg and bought tix to Bali instead. (I had the trip booked in 2 sets: USA-SIN was 1 ticket, SIN-Philipines was the 2nd). I had to cancel the flights to philipines from SIN, hotels and this excursion we had booked. All in all I had paid $550 and $1550 worth of points (all UR @ 1.5c).

I keep all my points in the CSR bucket to use. I had paid for the excursion with my CSR as well, and was therefore covered under the trip cancellation benefit. Since terrorism is a covered event, I filed m trip cancellation claim for all the above mentioned payments. Yesterday, I had the check in my hand for $2100. Would have been a lot quicker, but the delay was caused on my end.

If anyone was wondering, Allianz is the underwriter for the insurance/claims. Although, you only deal with the Chase guys.

FWIW, I was begging my SO to just go to the Philippines regardless, since we were staying in the Northern part (Coron and Palawan). But she put her foot down 8 hours before we were scheduled to fly out 2 weeks in Bali were played by ear. Was booking accommodation for a couple days at a time until we figured out what we were doing next
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Thing is - usually its not that difficult to find award space on BA. But then again, that means high fuel surcharges. So you'd be paying 60K AA miles + $450ish in surcharges. If that is ok with you, I'd rather get the 100K BA card from chase and use 40K Avios per person RT. Fuel surcharges are the same. If prices are under $900, I'd get the Sapphire reserve and book the ticket through Chase Portal for 1.5c per point.


I don't see the fuel surcharge added in when booking the BA flights through the AA portal. Is this some adder that comes in right before you hit "book"?
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:59 pm to
No you will see them on the checkout page before you hit book. The mileage + $$.

What are your dates?

Looks like its 60K + $733 booking through AA and 50K + $414 booking through BA
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

No you will see them on the checkout page before you hit book. The mileage + $$


Got it! Thanks.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40834 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:06 pm to
Wait, they let you use the policy to cancel your trip to northern islands for something that happened in the South?

I mean, I'm not complaining and that is very good to know, but that is terrible policy on their end

I can find a terrorist incident no problem if I want out of a trip bad enough.

ETA: Not to mention. Terrorist activity in the South has been ongoing for some time. That means cancellation is pretty much wide open year round.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:08 pm to
Wiat so did you keep your points + get check in hand?
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

Wait, they let you use the policy to cancel your trip to northern islands for something that happened in the South?



Well, its like saying its unsafe to go to Syria when in fact, you can travel to Damascus no problem. But that is an extreme example. There was news that the terrorist could plan to expand their reach out to other places in the Philippines. Plus the idiot president there (though this worked in my favor) said multiple times he would extend martial law to the rest of the country if needed. All this was well documented in the news so that helped. But yeah, if you can show something that happened terrorist related to a country your visiting with any evidence that there is a chance that would extend to other places, I'd think you'd be fine.

quote:

GenesChin


No, they don't refund the points. They gave me the value of the redemption in cash though. Effectively converting $1550 worth of points to cash @ 1.5c. Im not complaining.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

ETA: Not to mention. Terrorist activity in the South has been ongoing for some time. That means cancellation is pretty much wide open year round.



That is true. But when we were leaving they had besieged one of the cities there and gained control of it.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 3:17 pm
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