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re: Credit Card debt in US is now One Trillion Dollars

Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:29 am to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:29 am to
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I'm going by the information in the OP.

OP claims household debt went up by 2.4% in Q4 of 2022. Q4 2022 CPE price index (which includes food and energy) was +3.2%.


Thanks for the clarification on your source.

Take some time to dig into the numbers yourself, it's pretty eye-opening when you use the backdrop of this is all happening as we start going into a recessionary period (there's an argument which could be made about already being in a recession, but that's a tangent for its own thread). Once you see it, you'll realize that the longer this goes on, the harder a landing we're going to have (a soft landing is pretty much impossible now).

And then the administration will likely react by increasing welfare benefits (which will keep inflation stickier than otherwise).

To my thinking, it takes about a year for rate hikes to really begin being felt throughout the economy. The Fed didn't start raising rates until March 2022 (.25 increase) and didn't start getting aggressive about them until May (.5) or June (the first of 4 successive .75 increases), depending on your definition of "aggressive". If true, we're going to see the beginning of this "landing" as those successive hikes really hit home over the summer and into the Fall.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:40 am to
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That’s because we pay it off at the end of the month. We still have a few days left


You still are getting counted in this balance. These numbers include people who charge everything to their CC and pay it off before the due date thus paying 0 interest. So yes I am contributing to this number every single month and I have never paid a single penny in CC interest in my life.

It would be good to understand this in terms of per capita but also in terms of how much is paid each month to see what is true debt versus just charging monthly expenses that will be paid off.
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:41 am to
Well the price of eggs have been high. People love their eggs.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:04 am to
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It would be good to understand this in terms of per capita but also in terms of how much is paid each month to see what is true debt versus just charging monthly expenses that will be paid off.



Ask, and ye shall receive.

You can extrapolate enough of the direction of consumer debt by looking at the CC delinquencies (ie: people are less likely to risk accruing late fees if they have the available excess funds). You can also look at Consumer Debt as a Percentage of Personal Income.

What I would like to see is a running breakdown of time length on those delinquencies (30 days, 60 days, 90 days, etc).
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23410 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 12:40 pm to
No credit card for me
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 1:18 pm to
The capitalist side of me says CCs serve a market need

The financial-independence mindedness says WTF, CC holders?

Note to self: start CC company
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:42 pm to
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You sure? Just paid off the $100 on mine, mighta dipped back under a trilli
I just had my house drain snaked on a weekend, so we're back up to about a trillion one.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 2:57 pm to
And many are paying 30-39% inter st to boot.

I literally laughed when Amazon offered a card and 29% , I told them I'm good I'll pay cash or with credit card from credit union which is still at 7%
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