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Could a CPA help me?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:10 pm
I filled everything out on TurboTax for the year, and we were getting about 6k back from federal.
I added in just shy of 30k 1099 income and now we owe 11k. I figured I'd owe some but that was quite a swing. It also made me upgrade to the self employed version of TurboTax.
Is it worth going to a CPA to try to get that down some?
I added in just shy of 30k 1099 income and now we owe 11k. I figured I'd owe some but that was quite a swing. It also made me upgrade to the self employed version of TurboTax.
Is it worth going to a CPA to try to get that down some?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:15 pm to BoogaBear
1099 is with zero withholding usually. So that's a $17k swing unless you are in the new 56% tax bracket I doubt that's right.
Do you have a lot of expenses and or depreciations for your 1099 work?
For $30k in 1099 work I'd likely see a Cpa, it's gonna cost you $800 or so though maybe more. Would likely be worth it.
Do you have a lot of expenses and or depreciations for your 1099 work?
For $30k in 1099 work I'd likely see a Cpa, it's gonna cost you $800 or so though maybe more. Would likely be worth it.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:19 pm to baldona
It was all IT work, working from home. I didn't think there was much to deduct?
By definition I couldn't deduct a home office or my internet bill.
By definition I couldn't deduct a home office or my internet bill.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:53 pm to BoogaBear
The self-employment tax got you it sounds like. You have to pay the employer's and the employee's payroll tax (FICA, Medicare, Medicaid) when you're self-employed in addition to income taxes on your SE income.
The SE tax comes to about 15% but you get half of it as a deduction as I recall.
It still sounds like an unexplainable jump for $30k in income to increase taxes $17k.
Have you set up a SEP/IRA? It's a way to set aside a chunk of cash and still deduct it from your taxable income.
TurboTax asks you if you want to contribute to a SEP/IRA.
The SE tax comes to about 15% but you get half of it as a deduction as I recall.
It still sounds like an unexplainable jump for $30k in income to increase taxes $17k.
Have you set up a SEP/IRA? It's a way to set aside a chunk of cash and still deduct it from your taxable income.
TurboTax asks you if you want to contribute to a SEP/IRA.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:13 pm to LSURussian
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It still sounds like an unexplainable jump for $30k in income to increase taxes $17k.
Really not to far off if that income is in the 33% bracket. 10k income plus 15% which gets it to around 15k. That sound a little high, but it's not far off.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Really not to far off if that income is in the 33% bracket.
He'd have to be in the 39% marginal bracket before his 1099 income is included for it to add up.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:29 pm to LSURussian
Gross was 140k before the 1099 work.
2 kids, daycare, max FSA, mortgage interest, student loan interest, etc.
We stashed away enough to cover it but I was not expecting a 17k swing. I'll gladly pay a CPA if they can get that down to an easier to stomach number.
2 kids, daycare, max FSA, mortgage interest, student loan interest, etc.
We stashed away enough to cover it but I was not expecting a 17k swing. I'll gladly pay a CPA if they can get that down to an easier to stomach number.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:49 pm to BoogaBear
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Gross was 140k before the 1099 work.
2 kids, daycare, max FSA, mortgage interest, student loan interest, etc.
We stashed away enough to cover it but I was not expecting a 17k swing. I'll gladly pay a CPA if they can get that down to an easier to stomach number.
That's definitely not correct then. CPA shouldn't be too bad as it seems like your return isn't all that complicated. I would recommend going to one as it should cost less than a thousand and itll save you probably 5k minimum.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:14 pm to BoogaBear
Was that 140K gross before 1099 all yours? If not, how much was yours?
Marginal rate plus full S/E tax on the 1099 income, plus higher AGI causing phaseouts of credits and student loan interest, etc... can cause a crazy result like that.
A CPA might be worth it to ensure you are taking every deduction against that S/E income that you are able to.
Marginal rate plus full S/E tax on the 1099 income, plus higher AGI causing phaseouts of credits and student loan interest, etc... can cause a crazy result like that.
A CPA might be worth it to ensure you are taking every deduction against that S/E income that you are able to.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 5:40 am to LSUFanHouston
I was 90ish of the 140.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:04 am to BoogaBear
One thing is phasing out of child care credits - which are dollar for dollar - of $50 for every thousand over $120,000. So another $1,500 got lost bc of the 1099 income.
Then you lost your student loan interest deduction all together (over 160k).
Then you paid 15.3% SE tax. ($4590)
Then you pay ordinary income of 28% on most of it... ($3250+$4760=$8,010)
Wow. Yeah, get you a CPA and see if they'll sign off on you doing a SEP IRA before October.
Then you lost your student loan interest deduction all together (over 160k).
Then you paid 15.3% SE tax. ($4590)
Then you pay ordinary income of 28% on most of it... ($3250+$4760=$8,010)
Wow. Yeah, get you a CPA and see if they'll sign off on you doing a SEP IRA before October.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:10 am to UpstairsComputer
So basically I hit the perfect storm of being screwed.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:11 am to BoogaBear
Yep. And...
#taxationistheft
#taxationistheft
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:12 am to BoogaBear
But good on you for doing so well for your family.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:39 am to BoogaBear
You need to see a CPA not just for 2017, but for your 2018 and beyond planning. As said a lot of stuff phases out.
The 12.3% for personal income for social security and Medicaid in addition to your tax brackets gets you too.
Contributing your 1099 income to something like a SEP IRA (simple employment pension) will allow you to contribute any money with a 40%+ tax break immediately. It will also lower your AGI so you may be able to not hit one or two of those benchmarks.
The 12.3% for personal income for social security and Medicaid in addition to your tax brackets gets you too.
Contributing your 1099 income to something like a SEP IRA (simple employment pension) will allow you to contribute any money with a 40%+ tax break immediately. It will also lower your AGI so you may be able to not hit one or two of those benchmarks.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 8:39 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 8:41 am to baldona
Wow ok so the SEP IRA does a lot more than just lowering my taxable income?
Is this fairly common? I have the contact info for the CPA my FIL uses. He said he knows his stuff so I hope this is something they would look into.
ETA: Put maximum SEP retirement contributions into turbotax, dropped from 10,600 to 9,600.
Is this fairly common? I have the contact info for the CPA my FIL uses. He said he knows his stuff so I hope this is something they would look into.
ETA: Put maximum SEP retirement contributions into turbotax, dropped from 10,600 to 9,600.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:10 am to baldona
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ontributing your 1099 income to something like a SEP IRA (simple employment pension) will allow you to contribute any money with a 40%+ tax break immediately. It will also lower your AGI so you may be able to not hit one or two of those benchmarks.
While a SEP certainly is worthy of consideration here, it won't reduce his S/E tax, only his regular tax. so his break will be basically his marginal rate, which still ain't bad but it's not 40+%
He's also in the range where AMT might be an issue. OP, do you know if you are now showing AMT on Page 2 of your 1040?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:25 am to LSUFanHouston
Doesn't look like it.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 11:45 am to LSUFanHouston
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it won't reduce his S/E tax
It absolutely will. SEP contributions are an expense of the company, not a deferral by an employee. If he contributes 6k, that'll drop his net income to 24k from 30. Just as if he spent 6k on a computer program he had to use for work.
The question is can he do it with the rest of the information we don't know?
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