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Commodities Sell-Off Today - Thoughts?
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:51 am
Never noticed the money section before, so I posted here also:
So guys, with oil down $6+/barrel and RBOB down over 14 cents/gal already today, what are your thoughts on this sell-off that is occurring? You think energy prices are heading down some now with QE2's end looming, or you think it's just more profit taking and we'll be back up by Monday morning?
I'm betting one thing is for sure: we do not see much if any of that 14 cent decrease at the pumps!
So guys, with oil down $6+/barrel and RBOB down over 14 cents/gal already today, what are your thoughts on this sell-off that is occurring? You think energy prices are heading down some now with QE2's end looming, or you think it's just more profit taking and we'll be back up by Monday morning?
I'm betting one thing is for sure: we do not see much if any of that 14 cent decrease at the pumps!
Posted on 5/5/11 at 11:55 am to md9897
Bad economic news.
Number of first time filers for unemployment benefits way higher than expected.
Number of first time filers for unemployment benefits way higher than expected.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:07 pm to md9897
quote:I think there is a commodity sell off today. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.....
Commodities Sell-Off Today - Thoughts?
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:10 pm to LSURussian
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quote:
Commodities Sell-Off Today - Thoughts?
I think there is a commodity sell off today. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.....
You are such a baaaaaaaaad boy.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:10 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I think there is a commodity sell off today. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.....
Don't be too smart there
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:26 pm to md9897
It really started last week. Liquidation Money has been going into T Bills.Pressure has been mounting from the rest of the world about the dollar and inflation. There is an article in the UK Telegraph today that shows the correlation graph between Food and the Fed buying Treasuries; same with Commodities. The article attempts to connect the dots between the FEDS actions and the start of the "Arab Spring".
This was coming to a head and you can bet your next pay check that the big money people were already out. See CNBC.com article about Carlos Slim and silver options.
Margin at highs and margin increases set it in motion.
Today, Trichet threw a shot across the bow to Geithner and Bernanke. It was a verbal "you go first on interest rates". Is it a trend or a pause?
This was coming to a head and you can bet your next pay check that the big money people were already out. See CNBC.com article about Carlos Slim and silver options.
Margin at highs and margin increases set it in motion.
Today, Trichet threw a shot across the bow to Geithner and Bernanke. It was a verbal "you go first on interest rates". Is it a trend or a pause?
Posted on 5/5/11 at 12:36 pm to Blakely Bimbo
quote:Those two statements appear to be contradictory to me. Could you please elaborate?
Liquidation Money has been going into T Bills. Pressure has been mounting from the rest of the world about the dollar and inflation.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:05 pm to md9897
Oil down over $8 today so far. Maybe my gas will be cheaper for my trip to Austin.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:16 pm to saint308
Ha! If we are lucky that there are no increases at all tomorrow or Monday, then maybe, just maybe, will pump prices go down.
That's what pisses me off the most: RBOB up one day 5 cents, we get an immediate pump price increase the next morning. Yet if RBOB drops 15 cents one day, we do not get a drop the next morning. That "2 weeks to reflect price changes" is nothing but pure BS...
That's what pisses me off the most: RBOB up one day 5 cents, we get an immediate pump price increase the next morning. Yet if RBOB drops 15 cents one day, we do not get a drop the next morning. That "2 weeks to reflect price changes" is nothing but pure BS...
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:40 pm to LSURussian
Look at the IRX 13 week T Bills. Money has been coming out of assets and into the IRX.
Worldwide pressure has been mounting on the FED about rising inflation and especially food. I know that ya'll think that the conversation belongs on the POL board, but we live in a Macro world and price pressure in life's necessities will create political and social problems. This move in commodities just could not last.
There are too many charts out there that show the correlation with the start of the FED treasury buying. In fact as the Telegraph article points out, one can time it to Bernanke's Jackson Hole Speech. You won't agree with the article but here it is:
Telegraph
Thus, does the FED defy the world and still keep buying treasuries above the reinvestment? OR are they possibly on hold? Are investors pulling back and waiting to see the next move?
OR are we in the first stages of financial chicken. Are the big boys going to stand down Congress and the FED like they did in the fall of 08? These are question I am asking myself.
One of the things I enjoy watching are the POMOS
today pomo
NOW, pull up an hourly DJIA chart at 11:00 eastern. I've been watching that a long time
I'm not trying to advance a social or political position. I realized a very long time ago that the markets are not a level playing field and you got to protect yourself.
Worldwide pressure has been mounting on the FED about rising inflation and especially food. I know that ya'll think that the conversation belongs on the POL board, but we live in a Macro world and price pressure in life's necessities will create political and social problems. This move in commodities just could not last.
There are too many charts out there that show the correlation with the start of the FED treasury buying. In fact as the Telegraph article points out, one can time it to Bernanke's Jackson Hole Speech. You won't agree with the article but here it is:
Telegraph
Thus, does the FED defy the world and still keep buying treasuries above the reinvestment? OR are they possibly on hold? Are investors pulling back and waiting to see the next move?
OR are we in the first stages of financial chicken. Are the big boys going to stand down Congress and the FED like they did in the fall of 08? These are question I am asking myself.
One of the things I enjoy watching are the POMOS
today pomo
NOW, pull up an hourly DJIA chart at 11:00 eastern. I've been watching that a long time
I'm not trying to advance a social or political position. I realized a very long time ago that the markets are not a level playing field and you got to protect yourself.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:06 pm to md9897
The fed really can't increase rates. Since they have been pumping so much money into the system and driving the price of the $ lower, the inflation that is being created is not coming from internal pressures. It's cheaper for foreign countries to buy our commodities that it does to product their own. Kinda false inflation.
If they try to increase rates, they will absolutely kill any sputtering that the housing market in this country and therefore the rest of the economy.
They really are in between a rock and a hard place.
I think part of the reason Geithner and the fed are keeping rates so low is so that other countries will continue to buy our treasuries and goods. Maybe it's just the conspiricy theorist in me.
I also think that alot of the rise in commodity prices is from so many speculators playing in those markets now. Today with oil now at 98.74 (down 10.46 ) is a perfect example.
If they try to increase rates, they will absolutely kill any sputtering that the housing market in this country and therefore the rest of the economy.
They really are in between a rock and a hard place.
I think part of the reason Geithner and the fed are keeping rates so low is so that other countries will continue to buy our treasuries and goods. Maybe it's just the conspiricy theorist in me.
I also think that alot of the rise in commodity prices is from so many speculators playing in those markets now. Today with oil now at 98.74 (down 10.46 ) is a perfect example.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:15 pm to Blakely Bimbo
You give the Fed way more credit than it deserves. QE is such a fricking overblown media story its not even funny.
eta: Correlation between two lines a chart means absolutely nothing, NOTHING unless you back it up with statistical validation.
eta: Correlation between two lines a chart means absolutely nothing, NOTHING unless you back it up with statistical validation.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:18 pm to LSURussian
Please god make it stop. I think I'm going incognito for awhile.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:26 pm to Blakely Bimbo
The Fed has a schedule of future purchases, it fell within the range of purchases specified, the market would have already known that was going to occur. I don't get your logic.
Future Fed T purchase schedule
Future Fed T purchase schedule
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:27 pm to md9897
I heard Soros cashed in some chips yesterday....
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:30 pm to kfizzle85
quote:
Please god make it stop. I think I'm going incognito for awhile.
I checked out for two weeks, it was nice.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:35 pm to kfizzle85
Alright genius, please expand with your all knowing knowledge of how the world economy works.
Please entertain me
Please entertain me
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:39 pm to bbvdd
Damn!!!
Crude down $10.70 or 9.8%
RBOB down 25.85 cents or 7.8%
Brent down $11.85 or 9.8%
Holy hell guys, if we do not see a 10-15 cent drop at the pumps in the next two days, then I don;t know what to think of the situation.
Big arse sell-off today...I only hope these huge drops in energy prices actually make it to the pump to help ease the pain of filling up.
Crude down $10.70 or 9.8%
RBOB down 25.85 cents or 7.8%
Brent down $11.85 or 9.8%
Holy hell guys, if we do not see a 10-15 cent drop at the pumps in the next two days, then I don;t know what to think of the situation.
Big arse sell-off today...I only hope these huge drops in energy prices actually make it to the pump to help ease the pain of filling up.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:43 pm to bbvdd
quote:So your theory is lower interest rates on a security increases the demand for that security? You're gonna' have to 'splain that one to me......
I think part of the reason Geithner and the fed are keeping rates so low is so that other countries will continue to buy our treasuries
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:44 pm to bbvdd
I didn't reply to you, so I'm not sure why you're attacking me. I don't have enough disagreement with your post to make it worthwhile to argue about it.
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