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re: Back door ROTH taxable event question
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:07 am to Jake88
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:07 am to Jake88
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It appears that if there was 93k of pretax contributions in an ira and i put in 7k for a move to a roth, 93% of that 7k would be subject to my marginal tax rate, not the amount that will stay behind in the traditional IRA
93k of value. Not pretax contributions.
You have 93k of value in your ira and no post tax contributions (so the 93k is pre tax contributions abd growth on those ). You add 7k non-ded contributions and then immediately convert 7k to Roth.
7k / 100k is 7 percent, so 7 percent of the 7k is tax free, or $490. Thus $6,510 is taxable.
Now your trad ira is back to $93k value but you have $6,510 in non-ded contributions in it. Any future trad Ira distribution or conversion will use the same pro rata rules to make a portion tax free.
Become familiar with form 8606, you will use it for the rest of your life (or until you zero out tbe trad ira).
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:09 am to GEAUXT
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The point remains that having any money in your traditional IRA basically negates any benefits of the backdoor Roth.
Well you still get potentially decades of tax free growth. That could well more than offset the up front tax cost of the conversion.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:32 am to LSUFanHouston
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Well you still get potentially decades of tax free growth. That could well more than offset the up front tax cost of the conversion.
True, but getting taxed twice as much as you should sucks. And for someone who’s already had IRAs for 25 years it might not make sense.
Rolling funds into an existing employer sponsored plan is probably the best bet before starting to backdoor Roth.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:50 am to LSUFanHouston
Is there a calculator to determine if it's worth doing?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:59 am to Theduckhunter
quote:What is the benefit to this?
Rolling funds into an existing employer sponsored plan is probably the best bet before starting to backdoor Roth
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:11 am to Jake88
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What is the benefit to this?
It gives you the opportunity to do a Backdoor Roth without getting taxed on money you’ve already paid taxes on.
If you roll your traditional Ira balance into an employer sponsored pre-tax retirement plan, you won’t have any pre-tax dollars that trigger pro rata when you backdoor Roth. (Except for the little bit of earnings you get on the $7,000 before you roll it to Roth, but the taxable amount will be negligible.)
ETA: An alternative, if your company plan allows it, is a “mega backdoor Roth” in service distribution, where you contribute after-tax dollars to your retirement plan, and roll those contributions over to a Roth IRA. You can contribute a lot more than you would doing a backdoor Roth. However, if you already had earnings on after tax contributions you’ve made in the past, pro rata would apply to that.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:18 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:14 am to Jake88
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What is the benefit to this?
The benefit is having no balance in your traditional IRA so that there is no tax due on the Roth conversion.
However, it also depends on the quality and fee structure of your employer plan whether that is a long-term benefit.
It becomes much more convoluted when you are mid career and have a decent amount sitting in your IRA already. It may ultimately still be worth it, but it will take a lot of calculating and some luck.
If you start early (assuming that you start your career as a high earner not qualifying for Roth or tradional IRA deduction) then it's a wonderful thing.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:26 am to GEAUXT
How would I go about finding a CFP that I can pay by the hour of consultation not affiliated with places like Merrill, etc.? How would I find out about their reputation?
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