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re: All Things: Gold & Silver

Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:49 am to
Posted by Geekboy
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:49 am to
quote:

I wonder if we'll ever see the tulip (crypto) market liquidate directly into the precious metals space.


Written in 1841.

Posted by PUB
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Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 8:52 pm to
Silver is such a manipulative scam. Crap goes down like crypto. And no upside for well over a decade.
Posted by FAT SEXY
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:48 am to
Eh, I'll just keep my thoughts to myself instead of being a dick. Trying not to waste too much time debating on the Internet anymore
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 10:19 am
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:29 pm to
bumping Spaghetti Plate’s thread from 2025 … ($1 to Fat Sexy)

SP opened the original thread with a chart showing the increase in central bank accumulation compared to sovereign treasuries. (see pg. 1)

Since then … the trend has gone parabolic …. here’s the same chart, updated to reflect the latest year.



Central banks worldwide know what’s up …. and the debasement trade appears to be alive and well.

Given the level of global debt, it isn’t any surprise that the global broad money supply of printed paper currencies, which hit $150 TRILLION in June, has increased by a staggering 50% since 2020.



quote:

Such open currency debasement now hiding in plain sight not only explains why currencies like the USD have lost 87% in absolute purchasing power since decoupling from gold in 1971, it further explains why the world’s central banks are stacking gold at an unprecedented pace in 2026.


Just my dos centavos, but the case in support of gold continues to improve and should be a consideration for any asset portfolio …. especially given the level of worldwide currency debasement.

Good fortunes ….




This post was edited on 9/11/26 at 2:30 pm
Posted by lsuconnman
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

Such open currency debasement now hiding in plain sight not only explains why currencies like the USD have lost 87% in absolute purchasing power since decoupling from gold in 1971


I tried to get into the metals frenzy, but found it to be too much of a hassle. spot prices shift as much as the metal itself and then you have to factor that cost into both purchase and sale, then you have taxes, shipping risk of loss, etc.

I also had a moment of clarity. Why do I care how much value a dollar has lost since 1971? I just need it to hold its value long enough for my paycheck to make it into my brokerage account.
Posted by Hangit
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Posted on 9/12/26 at 8:56 am to
Central banks are stacking gold. Their buying is picking up.

Commercial banks like JPM are stacking silver.

Why? Because gold and silver are where the money is.

Fiat currencies live an average of about 50 years, throughout history. We went off the gold standard, and the dollar became fiat currency in 1971, 55 years ago.



Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 9/12/26 at 11:51 am to
quote:


I also had a moment of clarity. Why do I care how much value a dollar has lost since 1971? I just need it to hold its value long enough for my paycheck to make it into my brokerage account.


One oz of gold bought you 1.74 shares of the S&P in 2014. Today, 12 years later, an oz of gold buys you 1.74 shares of the S&P. In other words, priced in real money, the S&P has been flat for a dozen years. Both have served the function of maintaining purchasing power. Some people prefer the simplicity of gold over equity. Gold tends to outperform equity during sovereign debt crises and monetary transitions although it remains to be seen if that will be the case this time.

One advantage to holding equities right now is they effectively back the bond market. Cap gains are the marginal driver of tax receipts so any hit to those won't be tolerated by either the Treasury or the Fed as that would blow out a deficit that according to Fitch is expected to run at 7.4% of gdp this year and next.
Posted by cadillacattack
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 9/12/26 at 2:17 pm to
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and then you have to factor that cost into both purchase and sale, then you have taxes, shipping risk of loss, etc.


The costs for acquisition and secure storage of hard assets aren’t that dissimilar than many ETF fees. Moreover, certain bullion products are exempt from federal cap gains.

I never pay for shipping unless I’m a seller. Insurance? …. it’s really no more than hedging other asset classes.

I also gain a tax advantage from from artwork that we have on loan to a traveling gallery …. that allows me to write-off annual storage & insurance costs of an appreciating hard asset.

BTW, … it would never even cross my mind to store other valuables in the same, secure, tax advantaged storage facility
This post was edited on 9/12/26 at 2:26 pm
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:41 pm to
There was a decent thread about alternative assets last week. Unfortunately fareplay authored it, so mandatory dismissal was necessary.

Nonetheless, if you’re open to dealing with the spot swing, there’s a world of collectibles that dwarf the precious metals…but, you need to need a strong stomach to deal with 30% buyers premiums.

Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 9/12/26 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

but, you need to need a strong stomach to deal with 30% buyers premiums.


So true! That’s my experience with Hertage Auctions for coins. They’re a big auction houses as opposed to a metals dealer. They’ve got great support and systems, and credibility that is second to none ….. buuuut if you’re the sort that falls in love with numismatics, you’ve really got to be disciplined and be intimate with the coin’s value when bidding.

But man, they sure do feature some premium coins. There’s a current auction for some early Spanish reale coins (silver) …. that is really sweet stuff.

I’ve got a few auction stories on silver, mostly small regional auction houses. They’ll build a warehouse of 5-6 estates every quarter, plus a lot of collectables. They always save the silver coins for the end of the day … and by that time the bidders are mostly bargain hunters, bullion collectors, and mebbe a coin dealer or jeweler from nearby communities.

That’s when it gets fun because the in-person participants have a 10-12% financial advantage over the online bidders in the live auctions.

This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 7:26 am
Posted by FAT SEXY
Your sisters house
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:08 am to
Stacking Baws are out there buying the most proven assets on the planet while getting ridiculed for it by most of the crowd...
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 11:10 pm
Posted by FAT SEXY
Your sisters house
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:16 am to
quote:

There was a decent thread about alternative assets last week. Unfortunately fareplay authored it, so mandatory dismissal was necessary.


Copper has been kicking precious metal arse this year

Maybe we need a broader element thread.. Alternative Assets. It has a good ring to it at least
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 3:28 am
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 7:32 am to
The miners are starting to look tasty .... another week or two and GDX/GDXJ will enter the loading zone, IMO:

quote:

August CPI came in at 0.4%, pushing the odds of a Fed rate hike next week to 85%.

If the Fed hikes rates, expect a bit more downside in precious metals. If they hold steady, the correction is likely over, and prices could shoot higher, especially miners.

In a worst-case scenario, escalating attacks on energy infrastructure in the Middle East could send oil shooting above $120, triggering an October surprise, and broad market selloff.


Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

while getting ridiculed for it by most of the crowd..


I am old. Inferior humans ridiculing me means nothing.

The lion does not concern himself with the musings of the piglet.
Posted by Hand
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:55 pm to
That chart from Bloomberg is analytically incorrect. If you overlay the price of gold denominated in dollars with the growth of gold as at other central banks IN US DOLLARS, it's the same chart. The price of gold has gone up therefore the value of the holdings have gone up. In kind. By the same amount. Because it's the same thing. Likewise, the price of UST bonds have gone down because interest rates have gone up... starting in 2022... when the line starts to dip on that chart. I would suspect that it's mainly T-Bills so it corrected on its own in short order. That Bloomberg chart (or any other like it) doesn't say or tell us anything useful.

To be analytically correct, the chart has to show the change in the physical weight of gold being purchased compared over various other timeframes and then compare it to the purchasers' growth of their own money supply while also considering whether they are an export centered economy carrying a huge trade surplus (i.e., China and emerging markets).

In other words, it's the wrong charts for the argument.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/13/26 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

So true! That’s my experience with Hertage Auctions for coins.


I thought I got a good deal on a Lego set for $180. But after all the fees and shipping it was $325.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
12050 posts
Posted on 9/28/26 at 2:55 pm to
Interesting news out of Missouri .... they become the first state


quote:


Missouri has enacted a sweeping Constitutional Money Act that gives gold and silver legal-tender status.

The law also provides protections against state-assisted confiscation, allows employers and employees to agree to compensation in gold and silver, and requires the state to accept certain electronic gold and silver transfers for taxes and services.


no more regulation on silver and gold ..... no state cap gains upon sale

LINK
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 3:01 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:25 am to
Instead of creating a new thread, I wanted tk ask a question that probably gets asked a lot and that know one has the crystal ball.

The future for gold and silver looks good. I’m talking about holding physical gold for years.


States are taking taxes and refs away from it.

If you weee holding gold and silver , would you sell it now, or hold it for decades?
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
12050 posts
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:56 pm to

quote:

States are taking taxes and refs away from it.

If you weee holding gold and silver , would you sell it now, or hold it for decades?


Not sure what you mean by the “taxes and refs?”

Regarding the timing of a liquidation, … it kinda’ depends.

It depends on the reasons you purchased it ….
It depends on exactly what type of physical metal it is ….
And it depends on the state you live in …
And lastly, it depends on how badly you need the funds.

Only my dos centavos, but with the gold bull poised to resume its run, I would not sell at this time if I didn’t need to.

Good fortunes, friend
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
42512 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 6:29 am to
Apologies.

I meant states like Missouri are limiting taxes and limiting Regulations.
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