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Posted on 11/28/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Dead Mike
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 7:50 pm
I’m planning to go back to school for a BS in Accounting (previous humanities degree, not sure an MBA would fit my work experience). Don’t necessarily have any specific career path in mind, mostly interested in opening up new career options and building a more marketable skill set, including possibly pursuing the CPA designation.

I’ve been leaning towards attending ULL for a few personal reasons. More recently I’ve had second thoughts as I’ve come to realize that Big 4 and out of state jobs might be significantly more attainable if I’m coming from LSU, if that’s a route I decide to go. Would I be severely limiting my opportunities by choosing ULL?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 7:59 pm to
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Would I be severely limiting my opportunities by choosing ULL?


As far as Big 4, yes I think so. I got my undergrad at LSU and my MACC at LA Tech to move home and save money as I already had a Big 4 job. Most of my classmates at LSU went into public accounting, either Big 4 or at least P&N. 1 out of the 25 or so I got my MACC with went Big 4 and it was in Shreveport and that firm services like 2 clients out of that office.

If you just want to get your CPA, it doesn't matter where you go once you have the designation.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:01 pm to
Once you get your CPA, I don’t think your undergrad school of choice matters.

Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4527 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:14 pm to
If trying to get hired by a Big 4 or even one of the larger non-Big4 firms (e.g., GT, Crowe, etc.), then going to ULL will definitely hinder your chances. All the large firms recruit at target schools, and ULL isn’t likely to be one of them. Within Louisiana, your school choices are realistically LSU or Tulane. All others are unlikely to be on the target list.

While it is indeed possible to get hired even if you don’t go to a target school, you generally need to have an internal contact.

That said there are other career opportunities outside the Big 4 or another large national firm. There are large local and more regional firms that likely will recruit from schools that the Big4 doesn’t touch.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:35 pm to
If you're going all in locally, I'd go MBA at LSU and take accounting electives, spend another semester taking required accounting classes to sit for CPA. Macc is redundant with the CPA. It only may sense for those programs like UT that do the 5 year 150 hour program with a Macc at completion...IMO

Or even start taking online accounting classes now and start MBA at some point. You might not even like accounting.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:52 pm to
I went to UL Lafayette and am at Big 4. But you have many more options going to LSU when it comes to Big 4 jobs to be honest. But it's not impossible or anything. UL Lafayette's accounting program is still very solid. But if you are thinking Big 4 or bust, then you'd probably be safer going to LSU.

ETA: It's only a little tougher because they don't really actively recruit over there. But you can still reach out and/or use any potential connections to get your foot in the door. They don't look down on UL Lafayette as a school or anything imo.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:55 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:21 pm to
How old are you? I don't know many "second career" accountants who go big four. It's hard to make that initial commitment when you get a bit older.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 11:23 pm to
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How old are you? I don't know many "second career" accountants who go big four. It's hard to make that initial commitment when you get a bit older.


Late 20s. Definitely not sure about that either with the kind of hours/travel that might entail. At the same time, I’m trying to feel out realistic expectations before getting started.

I appreciate the responses, I get the sense that I’d be okay with a non-target school. I hadn’t thought much about online courses before though as a starting point, and that’s something I will consider.
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16431 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:28 pm to
If you have any questions about big 4, feel free to email me. I'm going into my 3rd year in public/big 4

This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 5:25 pm to
Got it, if you want to take down the email address.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 6:53 pm to
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Late 20s. Definitely not sure about that either with the kind of hours/travel that might entail. At the same time, I’m trying to feel out realistic expectations before getting started.


I mean a lot of it would depend on what you want to do long-term, if you even know. I’m assuming you don’t want to work Big 4 all your life and try to make partner. Most people don’t but if that’s your thing, then hey go for it.

If you have no idea what you want to do with your life after public, then Big 4 will keep the most doors open for you.

However, it isn’t the end all be all that some make it out to be. I didn’t know what I wanted to do after graduating and I went to a mid-sized regional firm for 4 years. I passed my CPA while working a much more manageable schedule as far as work-life balance, and eventually figured out what I wanted to do. I applied to a lot of jobs and received a ton of interest, interviews, and 5-6 offers within my 2-3 month search. In some cases, the regional sized firm gave me better experience because I had experience in a variety of sections (tax prep of high and low net worth individuals, small and large corps, audits of not for profits, gov, small and large private businesses in a variety of industries).

Working Big 4, I’m told, you don’t get varied experience. That might not be true, I can’t say from personal experience, but that’s my impression from talking to B4 alumni. On the other hand, some doors were closed for me because some companies and industries will only hire from B4.

All I’m saying is B4 doesn’t have to be the only option and there are tons of advantages to it, but also advantages to other firms. A lot depends on what you wanna do.
Posted by lsu4life2006
carencro
Member since Jan 2010
121 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:11 pm to
Ul is defiantly not looked down on by big 4. The accounting dept at Ul is very solid and I know a bunch of people that work for big 4 that was hired in the last 4-5 years.
Posted by Spock
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
1176 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:53 pm to
EY recently opened an office in Lafayette so there is a pretty good recruiting presence at UL. The major LA schools that they recruit from are LSU & UNO.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11852 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:22 am to
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Within Louisiana, your school choices are realistically LSU or Tulane. All others are unlikely to be on the target list.
Actually, LSU and UNO are the main target schools although Tulane does get attention.
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4527 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:07 pm to
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Actually, LSU and UNO are the main target schools although Tulane does get attention.



Fair enough. Admittedly, my experience is primarily from the EY perspective and within the FSO consulting/advisory side. I've never run into a UNO grad, but plenty of Tulane.
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4527 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:09 pm to
OP - I'm a senior manager with EY and have been here for over 10 years. Feel free to ask me any questions as well; however, I'm not on the audit side. I'm on the advisory/consulting side within the FSO.
Posted by Green Cup
Denham Springs
Member since Jul 2016
86 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:01 pm to
I graduated from SLU with my MBA and was hired by a local CPA firm, no problems whatsoever. Degrees from larger, more prestigious schools are completely overrated in my opinion. You only need that and your CPA license if you plan to stay in Public Accounting, which I would not wish on my worst enemy. It's great for about 5 years, then get the heck out. Public gives you a great base and overall Accounting exposure to make you more marketable, but is NOT for a family man. Go to Private or Governmental Accounting. I have been in both, and much prefer them over Public. Not even close. You can make just as much, and usually more, in Private (I made much more in Private than Public), and Government, which is where I am currently. Much easier and much less stressful.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:40 am to
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You can make just as much, and usually more, in Private (I made much more in Private than Public), and Government, which is where I am currently.


Not if you’re on the partner track.
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4527 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:54 am to
You definitely won’t make more long term in government than the Big 4. Private you are probably correct as long as you’re only comparing the audit side.

Also I’m a “family man” and have been With EY for over 10 years. The hours and travel can be tough, but that’s true of any competitive and upwardly mobile position. You can be a family guy and still work here. In fact most SMs and PPEDs have families.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:33 pm to
The first 10-15 year track for big 4 folks income I'd say almost certainly out paces the majority of industry accountants not coming from the top schools. But high perfromers in mid to major companies can get there as well with usually a good bit less wear and tear. MBA, CPA, CIA, CMA etc for industry is essential to rise though. My advice for industry accountants in a good field would be to really get involved with ops, marketing, strategy if possible. Learn the business. There aren't layers for promotions like public. You don't get promoted every 2-3 years as there often just aren't layers in many departments to promote to. If you can show your skillset could translate in to ops or strategy analytics for example, you have more portential to move up and earn quicker and get out of a limited accounting department org chart when a job becomes available.
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