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80 years old - 100k

Posted on 6/28/18 at 10:55 pm
Posted by Jabstep
Member since Jul 2014
2130 posts
Posted on 6/28/18 at 10:55 pm
Money Board - my grandmother is 80 years old and has 100k in savings. She can basically live off SS right not but it’s really tight. Zero debt. She basically needs an extra 300 per month to give her enough breathing room. She’s petrified of the stock market and wants to have the vast majority of the 100k available to her kids when she passes. She basically wants zero down side risk which I told her is virtually impossible. Her family has a history of living into their 90s. She’s in really good health now with no history of any real ailments.

What would the money board do? I think she’d be open to a small annuity even though I think that’s the wrong route.

Posted by JDMMonroeTiger
Monroe
Member since Dec 2009
217 posts
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:17 pm to
Buy her a balanced mutual fund and let her take the $300that she needs from it on a monthly basis. A decent fund should grow 5-7%/yr and she would only be drawing about 3.6%/yr so the fund should grow a little. You can use this strategy as long as she lives and if we get a strong sustained market, she could even give herself a raise at some point. The fund will prob go below $100K at some point but unless the market goes way down and stays there, the fund will rebound.
Posted by D Tide
Member since Mar 2012
503 posts
Posted on 6/28/18 at 11:23 pm to
You can get a CD at around 2.25% now. Probaily 3% not far from now. Doing this she will only cut into 1-1.5K a year if she lives 20 years it'll still be at least 75,000
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:42 am to
$300/month for a decade is $36k which leaves her legatees a total of $64K. I understand her wishes but why not have her draw the extra money out and just live with no risk whatsoever? She could live to 108 or so before she worried about exhausting her nest egg.

I understand her motivation to take care of her family. But are they in dire straits if they don’t get every dime of her potential estates and assets or something?
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 6:43 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26575 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:50 am to
She should worry about herself and not the family. Her savings is first to make sure she has a comfortable retirement
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5133 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:32 am to
my thoughts too her kids are probably 50+ years old and 100k split up isn't that much money

I would tell her to invest most but to also not stop living or to start living go see some places
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20397 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:47 am to
Honestly, its not really worth your time to worry about. Find her a good CD and take the money out when needed.

The difference between a 1.5% CD and a conservative equities/ bond investment is really not enough for anyone to worry about get her upset about. You are talking the difference of $2000-3000 after taxes a year. I'd just let her live without worry.

As said, its great she wants to worry about giving her heirs some money but she should have done that 40 years ago and saved a bit more. At this point she needs to just take care of herself.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 9:00 am to
If you have a good relationship with her, kindly point out that her money will likely be needed to take care of her....and that her legacy to her heirs is in her values, knowledge, skills, love that she has already passed down. Her self sacrificing attitude is lovely and commendable, and her peace of mind should absolutely come first. Find a CD or higher yield jumbo savings rate that will produce minimal income, and sit with her and show her how much it will grow (not much). Also show her the drawdown if she uses $350 a month....how long it will last if she lives to 100. Point out that she deserves to use her money on herself at this stage in life....that all of her kids are employed (hopefully) and would rather see her comfortable and cared for (hopefully also true).

Forget the annuity.
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:46 am to
quote:

What would the money board do? I think she’d be open to a small annuity even though I think that’s the wrong route.


Don't do an annuity. A CD or bonds would be the right path IMHO. Keep a year in cash or so.

my $.02 is that 100k will be gone before she dies. She might not need more than 300 / month now but she will when she goes into a home.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:56 am to
You may want to consider that the $300 requirement will likely grow over time - at least 1.5-2.5% each year.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 11:02 am to
You can get most of that in Tbills now. 2% or so. Go to treasury direct and buy them there with no commissions.

You want her to keep that money to care from herself.

She could do her own kind of reverse mortgage too by selling her home to her kids in exchange for a note and the kids could pay her $300 a month against the note. When she dies they can sell the house.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4082 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 11:59 am to
quote:

She could do her own kind of reverse mortgage too by selling her home to her kids in exchange for a note and the kids could pay her $300 a month against the note. When she dies they can sell the house.


I see this as good advice. Because unless she has some sort of (really good) long term care insurance, a nursing home stay of less than 18 months will blow through her cash like a knife through butter... and then her house will be next. I believe the first 100 days or so would be covered by Medicare, assuming a doctor would sign her into rehab for that period.

But for wealth preservation, do what I.B. said and then pray that she has at least five years before she has any sort of long term care needs. Sell the house to the kids using a lifetime estate. Someone else can speak to the type of trust that might be used to protect the cash. When dealing with long term care, that can get (legally) tricky.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:08 pm to
Great point about the potential for long term care...but this isn’t always a consideration. If your family is fairly functional, there are myriad ways to care for an elder that do not require an institution. I just hate to hear of it spoken of as an inevitability....it’s not.

So this is another opportunity to talk with her before it becomes a necessity: would she prefer to stay in her own home (assuming she owns it), to live with a family member, to live in a supported assisted living apartment, or to have a family member move in with her? Since you’re talking about money, it is a natural thing to bring up. You should listen to her, and help her communicate her wishes to her children. Also discuss a durable power of attorney—who does she want making decisions on her behalf? Convos now about this stuff may ease her mind and make he next decade of transition easier for the whole family.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4082 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

Great point about the potential for long term care...but this isn’t always a consideration. If your family is fairly functional, there are myriad ways to care for an elder that do not require an institution. I just hate to hear of it spoken of as an inevitability....it’s not.


Not so much that it's an inevitability. But if it's even a possibility, it requires at least five years of advanced planning. If a family member *thinks* they can care for her, but realizes a couple of years in that it's more than they can deal with, it's too late to protect her savings or home. As the saying goes, everyone has a plan... until they get punched in the face.

Better to put something like that in place and not need it (she'd have a lifetime estate), than to need it and not have it, IMO.
Posted by TrueTiger07
Madison, MS
Member since May 2007
2316 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 2:20 pm to
She should spend every dollar of that money she worked hard to save. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:33 pm to
I’ve hear Long Term Care Insurance is very, very risky. As in several people my age or a bit older experienced going through claims for their parents.

Similar stories about nightmares trying to get the benefits you paid for if and when the need arises.
Posted by helluvaday
Member since Jun 2018
443 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:37 pm to
I hear what you are saying and fully agree, but if she wants to leave money for her kids then that is her preference. I'm sure she will feel better knowing she left them something.

OP, I second tying most of it in a CD - have her deduct $15,000 to cover her expenses for the next couple of years and tie the rest into CDs if she is looking for low-risk.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:05 pm to
This sounds like my father. He sold his home and moved in with us. Spent $15k to make a separate entrance, den with kitchen, and bath.

2 years later, health problems and he went into nursing home. The money was gone in 15-16 months.

No money left for his children.

You never know what will happen.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89482 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:24 pm to
Coke stock and take the quarterly dividends.

Boom.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50092 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:38 am to
Use FDIC INSURED CD’s. Look for good rates and purchase so she renews at different times, giving recurring access to her money.
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