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re: 2015 TDMTFSS (SECOND Standings Update, 3/20/2015)

Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:33 am to
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:33 am to
"What in the tire world" (spoken like my 5 year old) just happened in the market? Dow was up 70 points seems like no time ago and I just checked and the Dow is down triple digits.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:37 am to
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But lets be honest, 99.99% of us here are not playing with $1,000,000 in our real accounts. Noticed I left 0.01% out.
True, but it still makes the game a little unrealistic from a trading standpoint.

My StreetSmartPro trading screen shows the volume of shares traded in FGEN for each transaction. The most shares I've seen traded in one transaction this morning is 600 shares.

But I traded 40,000 shares in one transaction and jlu03 traded 66,000 shares...TWICE in two buy orders.

I made almost $34,000 in my game account's short trade of FGEN, but IRL that would have been impossible even with my $1 million+ to trade with.

The game only looks at the prices and if the market hits those prices, the trade is executed. IRL, there would not be enough shares available to trade, not only at the price limits we entered, but at ANY price, most likely.

Still it's fun to play with bitcoins...er....I mean, fake money.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3342 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:43 am to
The point I'm trying to make is why I can't make these type of percentage gains. Obviously I know it is impossible to trade in and out of a stock like that which is so thinly traded. Whether it's $2MM or 20K I only care about percentage.

FYI... Been actively trading since I was 11 so I understand how markets and trading work. Not trying to be a dick.

Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9234 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:48 am to
My lesson learned 4 days into the game- There's no way in hell I could be a day trader with real money. Fake $500,000 stresses me out enough when I start losing on a short. I'd probably jump off a building if it was real money.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2496 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:02 am to
I haven't read through this thread all that much. Is there a way to do options trading? I can't find it on the website.
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:10 am to
I believe it is not possible. I thought it was earlier, but Russian corrected me.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:45 pm to
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The point I'm trying to make is why I can't make these type of percentage gains.
If that was your point, my apologies, I missed it.

I thought you were referring to the tens of thousands of dollars in profits we both made this morning trading a humongous (that's technical investment terminology, but you already know that since you've been trading since you were a mere lad... ) number of shares including shorting shares in a company that can't be shorted in the real world.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:46 pm to
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My lesson learned 4 days into the game- There's no way in hell I could be a day trader with real money. Fake $500,000 stresses me out enough when I start losing on a short. I'd probably jump off a building if it was real money.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3342 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:10 pm to
Well as soon as I pick up DGAZ in the fake account it tanks but I'm heavily invested UGAZ in the real account.

I hope my fake account goes to $0 by holding DGAZ.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:13 am to
It looks like dividends are ignored by the game. No additional shares and no cash inflow into the account from dividends. Bummer.
Posted by AuburnChief
Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
81 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:28 am to
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It looks like dividends are ignored by the game. No additional shares and no cash inflow into the account from dividends. Bummer




Are you for real?? I picked up several high yielding dividend stocks. Was going to hold on to them for a bit. We don't get dividend payouts???
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 9:30 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:30 am to
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Are you for real??
I'm pretty sure I'm real.
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:34 am to
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It looks like dividends are ignored by the game. No additional shares and no cash inflow into the account from dividends. Bummer.




Well, that will change my strategy a little bit.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2899 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:36 am to
Thanks for passing this info along.

Big up day today on the DJIA so far. I noticed that ATT was down a lot. Checked and sure enough it is going ex-dividend - $.49 a share I believe. As a previous poster stated, this is not good news for dividend plays.
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:39 am to
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As a previous poster stated, this is not good news for dividend plays.


To be honest, someone playing this with the intent of building a portfolio for 30 years down the road was not going to win anyways, but the game could have helped them to see how things like that were handled. I am trying to branch out from my real account and take chances I would not normally take. Granted, I did plan on having some dividend plays in my portfolio, but oh well.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:39 am to
All of the dividend paying stocks in my other game account are now well past their dividend payable date and there are no transactions showing the dividends coming into the account and I still have the same number of shares I bought in December so no dividends reinvested. Plus the total net worth of the account, adjusted for gains and losses, is still $1,000,000.

That's a glaring weakness in this game for anyone who wants it to mirror real brokerage accounts.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2899 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:45 am to
I'm with you on that.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:04 am to
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I noticed that ATT was down a lot. Checked and sure enough it is going ex-dividend - $.49 a share I believe.
The good news is I own 2,500 shares of T in my real brokerage account and it DOES allow for dividends being paid.
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:13 pm to
So I just executed my first short trade. Is it essentially like going long, except you want to see the price go the other way? Whenever you feel comfortable with an amount you sell?

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131385 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:18 pm to
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Whenever you feel comfortable with an amount you sell?

No, you buy to close (cover) the short position, not sell.

ETA: On the game's trading screen you click on "Buy To Cover" to close the short.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 2:19 pm
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