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re: Zach Mettenberger= Ryan Leaf, with a chance to fix
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:31 pm to stho381
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:31 pm to stho381
I think Mett played very average against USCe. He may seem inept or uncommitted to many, but maybe that's just how he looks?
The team seems to have a different opinion of his demeanor. Everything he says post-game about offensive struggles, he's owned up to it and shouldered the blame. He's stated many times that everything starts with him.
The players around him don't really seem to question his effort. I read a quote from Jarvis Landry that he always sees Mett holding his head up and never giving up. What matters is what his team believes from him, not what we think because his expression doesn't seem determined enough for you. Honestly, he doesn't look scared or aggravated, he's just keeping his normal face on, if you think that makes him look stoned or lost well...I guess he just has one of those faces.
Either way, he hasn't been our main problem. There's plenty of room for him to improve but he's been a very average QB so far with spots of great.
The team seems to have a different opinion of his demeanor. Everything he says post-game about offensive struggles, he's owned up to it and shouldered the blame. He's stated many times that everything starts with him.
The players around him don't really seem to question his effort. I read a quote from Jarvis Landry that he always sees Mett holding his head up and never giving up. What matters is what his team believes from him, not what we think because his expression doesn't seem determined enough for you. Honestly, he doesn't look scared or aggravated, he's just keeping his normal face on, if you think that makes him look stoned or lost well...I guess he just has one of those faces.
Either way, he hasn't been our main problem. There's plenty of room for him to improve but he's been a very average QB so far with spots of great.
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Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:35 pm to stho381
quote:Mett was kicked out of UGA after being arrested and iniitally charged with sexual assault on a co-ed. Potentially having to register as a sex offender for life, before you are old enough to drink legally- I'd call that a pretty major off-field issue.
Leaf had major off the field issues, Mett doesn't have that. He has a little bit of character/goofiness/whatever but so does our coach.
Other than that, I agree with ya. We don't NEED him to be Manning to win. mostly, I was making an observation about the kid; and how it translates to the game on the field.
A week ago, we wanted to fire the coaches because our offense looked weak. Truth is, who knows how much simple, basic stuff Kragthorpe has to teach Mett, before we can start implementing a more complex offense?
Posted on 10/14/12 at 3:10 pm to 777Tiger
Last year AJ Mcarron threw 16 TD and 5 ints. 6 of those TDs came in two game against scrubs. Also AJ didn't lose his three bet Olineman.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 3:15 pm to jlc05
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Shake the haters dude. Youre on target.
Except no he isn't. If our receivers catch the ball , Mett's compl% would be above 70. You can't ask for more than that from a first year starter.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 3:19 pm to Scoob
Scoob- they know it but dont want the truth publicized-after the persecution they heaped on supposedly one of thier own QBs last year. They want to keep it justified. Or maybe there's some other twisted BS in them. I want be reading the responses they are not worth a.....
Posted on 10/14/12 at 3:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:McCarron didn't come into Bama with baggage, and he wasn't expected to be more than a game manager.
Last year AJ Mcarron threw 16 TD and 5 ints. 6 of those TDs came in two game against scrubs. Also AJ didn't lose his three bet Olineman.
A number of people predicted Mettenberger would be the starter last season (and it wasn't all LSU fans doing that). Most were certain he'd be at least honorable mention All-SEC this season, at the very least. As it stands, he's currently played well enough to start here, Kentucky, Auburn, maybe Vandy; not sure where else. Maybe Mizzou. He wouldn't be ahead of: McCarron, Wilson, Bray, Murray, Manziel, Shaw, Driskel, the guy at Ole Miss, or the guy at Miss State.
He got kicked off UGA and we thought he'd seize his 2nd chance at LSU and run with it. Thus far, it hasn't been so great. There's still time to fix things with his career, but he's not performed anywhere near what people thought he would. Given his apparent talent, you gotta wonder if the problem is within.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 3:47 pm to Scoob
We have multiple problems on Off.
1)O line has been inconsistent (that's being nice)
2)WR
3)In-effective red zone
4)Stupid penalties
I see Mett developing slowly. I don't doubt his desire or his ability. All the problems w/the O are NOT his doing. I believe if the O keeps playing like what we saw last night, it makes his development easier.
1)O line has been inconsistent (that's being nice)
2)WR
3)In-effective red zone
4)Stupid penalties
I see Mett developing slowly. I don't doubt his desire or his ability. All the problems w/the O are NOT his doing. I believe if the O keeps playing like what we saw last night, it makes his development easier.
This post was edited on 10/14/12 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/14/12 at 4:02 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:gonna guess you meant "NOT all his doing";
I see Mett developing slowly. I don't doubt his desire or his ability. All the problems w/the O are his doing. I believe if the O keeps playing like what we saw last night, it makes his development easier.
I agree. His life would have been better with the line as intended. And a lot better with Randle back as a clear #1 WR, and Beckham not going through his issues (I think he's pressing too hard, and he'd be a lot more relaxed and better if Randle were back too).
I think the ineffective redzone offense goes back to the issues at QB and WR. Tighter coverage, smaller windows to fit passes in, less time to make decisions, everything is faster. I think the more Mett is able to get comfortable mentally with what he's supposed to do, the better the redzone offense will be. We'll see some TDs to the TE, some nicely executed fades and screens, etc. Right now, I don't want Mett trying to hit Landry on a crossing route over the middle, because he'd turn it over as often as not. Once he's ready for that, I think we'll see it happening, and then the run becomes a lot more potent.
And then, look out
Posted on 10/14/12 at 4:25 pm to Scoob
My bad, I fixed it.
I think him hitting quick slants across the middle would be safer than some of the slow developing outs and curls the CB's are reading, sitting on and making plays on(pick six). Watching the SC WR's last night, they seemed to be ot more "open" when catching passes, our WR's always have tight coverage. I gonna say Spurrier =better Off. schemes to create that.
I think him hitting quick slants across the middle would be safer than some of the slow developing outs and curls the CB's are reading, sitting on and making plays on(pick six). Watching the SC WR's last night, they seemed to be ot more "open" when catching passes, our WR's always have tight coverage. I gonna say Spurrier =better Off. schemes to create that.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 4:31 pm to Scoob
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The "Mett Burgundy" thing
What the frick does him jokingly doing this have any effect on his play? He's fricking 21 years old, a kid. He is entitled to joke around and be a college kid as much as he wants. This place is pathetic. If anything, the fact that he has the balls to do that sort of thing and not give a frick what you pathetic losers think about it makes me respect him for it.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 4:32 pm to Scoob
The guy only has 2 or 3 sec games under his belt and matures every game, the expectations of this kid by this fan base are rediculous. There where a lot of people wanting him benched last name night on the score board forum. He is doing better than I thought he would. Also, props to our receivers for making some good catches last night.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 4:38 pm to Scoob
The guy only has 2 or 3 sec games under his belt and matures every game, the expectations of this kid by this fan base are rediculous. There where a lot of people wanting him benched last name night on the score board forum. He is doing better than I thought he would. Also, props to our receivers for making some good catches last night.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 5:04 pm to LSU FREAK
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And more with regards to Leaf- we don't know how much he was allowed to do at WSU, vs what Mettenberger got zapped with at UGA.
Surprisingly he wasn't allowed to "do" a lot in terms of calling his own plays. It was actually a pretty big part of the rather contentious relationship he had with Price.
But the WSU offense was sort of a pro-style/air raid hybrid. A pass heavy offense out of pro-style sets. Think New England in the early 2000's, before they started really utilizing shifts and multiple, wide TE sets.
Mett's issue is that he hasn't been consistent throwing an accurate ball at any depth (5 yard stop vs 15 yard out vs 40 yard bomb). He's also close to a full second late on a lot of his reads/throws. You hope those things will improve with experience but some guys just never progress like you thought they would.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 5:15 pm to Scoob
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Might be next season before he achieves it; or maybe never... but the truth is, this season's team doesn't need "special" to win out. It just needs "competent", and Mettenberger is getting close to that. Ain't quite there, and he definitely doesn't need to get full of himself yet, but he's getting close
well said, every word.
Hot seat is being warmed up in College Station though.
Loud.
Its the linemen who will make or break Mr Mettenberger.
That arm is WOW when he is safe to watch the play unfold.
the new line was plenty good enough vs South Carolina.
That needs to keep happening, and I have no idea what depth there is, since the depth is now starting.
I was heartened by Ware taking snaps. I think that's the key.
Mettenberger is not quite there. As noted above, maybe later this season, maybe next season. You never know until it happens. We dont know him, so we have no idea what its like to walk in his shoes. It seems whopping big, to me. Maybe win the BCS, maybe be the all time goat of this news cycle.
It would be a great story if he could lead LSU to an undefeated season, next year. He will have the team around him, it seems.
And of course, due to the truth that anything can happen and always does, maybe LSU wins 11.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 6:10 pm to ottothewise
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That arm is WOW when he is safe to watch the play unfold.
Yeah, but not consistently. His biggest problem is being consistent. Last night the receivers dropped only 1, maybe 2 balls, while several passes were way off target. He could have had 2 maybe even 3 tds with better throws
Posted on 10/14/12 at 7:46 pm to Dijkstra
quote:It's an observation. Remember, he didn't transfer out of UGA on his own accord, he was kicked off the team and brought up on serious charges. The charges originally were more life-changing than anything resulting from the JJ barfight; he was at risk of having to register as a sex offender.
The "Mett Burgundy" thing
What the frick does him jokingly doing this have any effect on his play? He's fricking 21 years old, a kid. He is entitled to joke around and be a college kid as much as he wants
Were they reduced? Yep. If he got some influence to reduce the charges, he needs to keep a clean, quiet low profile and be grateful his life isn't fricked. If the charges stemmed from something fairly innocent, he still needs to be aware that clowning around nearly cost him his freedom and a chance at having a normal adult life. Either way, he should have enough sense to realize he's no longer "just a 21 yr old kid having fun", he's someone lucky to have a second chance, and try to keep his shite straight. He doesn't need me or you to tell him what his family undoubtedly told him. The fact that he is either not aware, or doesn't get why, is a little bit of a red flag as far as judgement and insight.
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