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Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:14 pm to Bamalover9
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You had been primed for a "turnaround" since 1960.
Not really.
You really think LSU fell into the cellar in 1960 and it took Saban's mystical football juju to get out of it, don't you?
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:17 pm to CajunMarine81
No, LSU would not be where it is, but before Saban could be hired it was necessary for LSU to hire Mark Emmert who took the search for DiNardo's replacement away from Joe Dean. If Joe Dean had been in charge of the search LSU would never have considered shopping in Saban's price range. The willingness to pay top dollar would have paid off eventually. The timing with Saban was fortuitous.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:17 pm to Volvagia
I think he turned the program around. But I think Miles is doing a great job.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:18 pm to Bamalover9
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If it was so easy, why did it take over 40 years and a slew of coaches to repeat the success? Obviously he put you guys on the map...and not the other way around.
So back to the question, of all the hundreds of coaches "out there" you've immediately concluded that none are better then Saban and/or those that are LSU could not have hired? For all anyone knows, another coach may have done better than Saban (cp Meyer's success at UF).
The LSU-Saban stint was a win-win. We've had (IMO) the best years of our football history since he was hired. But, I don't recall programs lining up to hire Saban while at Mich St. And nothing he did with the Dolphins impressed either.
And now, back to the future; we're gonna beat the snot out of Bama, Nick, et al.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:19 pm to CajunMarine81
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the move to LSU definately made nick saban. he actually inherited a pretty talented team
Miles must not be a very good coach then, the rest of the country has him pegged as an average coach and they have to be right. If LSU made Nick Saban because he inherited Dinardo's kids, then LSU made Les Miles even more.Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:19 pm to Volvagia
quote:You weren't really a national presence for 100 years prior to his arrival. Since his arrival, every year LSU is in the hunt...do the math.
Not really.
You really think LSU fell into the cellar in 1960 and it took Saban's mystical football juju to get out of it, don't you?
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:19 pm to Bamalover9
You just proved my point you arsewipe!! That's a typical response for you people!! You idiots just need to remember to know your place on the food chain!! 
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:21 pm to Bamalover9
of course, we should credit saban with all of our success from here on out. after all, bama fans do (some, anyway).
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:22 pm to 31TIGERS
When was the last time LSU had won a national title before Saban? 1958. How about conference title? I don't know that one...
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:22 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:1. Pete Carroll sucked in the pros as well, and had no resume before USC...pro football has NO BEARING on a college coaches' resume dont be ignorant.
So back to the question, of all the hundreds of coaches "out there" you've immediately concluded that none are better then Saban and/or those that are LSU could not have hired? For all anyone knows, another coach may have done better than Saban (cp Meyer's success at UF).
The LSU-Saban stint was a win-win. We've had (IMO) the best years of our football history since he was hired. But, I don't recall programs lining up to hire Saban while at Mich St. And nothing he did with the Dolphins impressed either.
And now, back to the future; we're gonna beat the snot out of Bama, Nick, et al.
2. Saban is one of the best coaches in America, and thats what LSU needed. If Miles got hired in 2000, LSU would still be average and thats the bottom line. LSU needed and elite coach, they got one. He put LSU on the map.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:23 pm to bigpapamac
quote:4 conference titles from 1959-1999. Hadn't had one in 12 years before he arrived...he won a Conference Championship in 2.
When was the last time LSU had won a national title before Saban? 1958. How about conference title? I don't know that one...
Is this even a debate anymore?
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:24 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:No..just from 2000-2007..the rest is Miles.
of course, we should credit saban with all of our success from here on out. after all, bama fans do (some, anyway).
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:25 pm to CajunMarine81
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I think he turned the program around. But I think Miles is doing a great job.
Most definitely...I am not taking away from what Saban did.
I am just saying that it is foolhardy to think that it was all Saban, especially regarding the rate he got LSU back up. You can't just expect to inject him into any equivalent style program and get the same results.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:26 pm to Bamalover9
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he won a Conference Championship in 2.
Yeah but he won it with Shula's players!!
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:27 pm to Bamalover9
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You had not been on the map since the 1950's...and that was a 1 hit wonder. What makes you think it all of a sudden would have happened in 2000? Not only were you not a national power, you weren't even a conference power as you only won 4 Conference championships the previous 40 YEARS before Saban arrived.
again, it's all about the $$$$$. LSU wasn't paying the bucks to pull in a good coach, e.g. bama the last 15 years. if it wasn't him, it would of been another just as qualified, turn it around coach. just saying, the institution was committed to getting back on the map. and when I was in school in the mid, late 80's, LSU was a contender and the everything went to shite a few years after Arnsparger left.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:28 pm to Bamalover9
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You weren't really a national presence for 100 years prior to his arrival. Since his arrival, every year LSU is in the hunt...do the math.
Really?
To be honest all of your little historical data can be explained away with one statement: Bear Bryant. It didn't matter how good LSU was, we were rarely good enough against that. (Although you got it by cheating compared to today's standards though.
) And I wouldn't take too smug of a stance of that, because you probably are going to experience that same thing (although probably for not as long) inbetween LSU and Florida. No matter what you rack up in terms of team talent, SEC and national titles will be few and far between for a while for Bama. And I honestly don't think your fanbase will tolerate Saban not giving you either of them within the next 5 years.
After his departure LSU was on the downward slide of the cycles of football, and then came back under Saban.
This post was edited on 8/29/09 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:30 pm to Bamalover9
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No..just from 2000-2007..the rest is Miles.
Too bad you probably won't stay long enough for this quote to be useful.
The sad thing is that you just arbitrarily picked that year because of 2008. Not because of any logically sound reason. Had we won a NC in 2008 you would be here prattling on about how Saban caused that.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:32 pm to Bamalover9
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1. Pete Carroll sucked in the pros as well, and had no resume before USC...pro football has NO BEARING on a college coaches' resume dont be ignorant.
My point was that apart from Saban's success at LSU there was nothing on his resume that stood out. (And you were the one who brought up the Belichick (sp?)-Saban thing as if that "pro experience" carried weight).
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4 conference titles from 1959-1999. Hadn't had one in 12 years before he arrived...he won a Conference Championship in 2.
Is this even a debate anymore?
Why not compare the University of Miami - they were on the verge of giving up football as a sport before winning four NC's over nine seasons ('83-'91) and that with three different coaches. Nick never had a monopoly on winning football.
And now back to the future; Crowton's going to abuse your defense again this year.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:33 pm to Volvagia
quote:Omg where do I even begin...
Really?
To be honest all of your little historical data can be explained away with one statement: Bear Bryant. It didn't matter how good LSU was, we were rarely good enough. (Although you got it by cheating compared to today's standards though. )
After his departure LSU was on the downward slide of the cycles of football, and then came back under Saban.
From 1950-1999 LSU had a winning % of .611, thats good for 25th in the nation. Not exactly what I would call a powerhouse. From 2000-2007 LSU had a winning % of .79...good for SIXTH in the nation. With 2 Championships and 3 Conference Championships. POWERHOUSE!
LSU was not a powerhouse before him...Alabama was a powerhouse before he arrived. Bryant put us on the map, any fool will tell you that. He created a legacy and we couldn't find anyone after him until Saban. Difference is, THERE WAS NO LEGACY at LSU before Saban arrived. Huge difference.
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