Bamalover9

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Miles wasnt there to coach his recruits so it really doesnt matter how many got drafted in the last 4 years.God, do you think before you type?

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:rotflmao:

Pathetic.

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The issue is not the number of players recruited by Miles who turn into NFL draft picks. The issue is whether we can judge Miles' recruiting ability, which has nothing to do with the eventual number of draft picks out of a recruiting class. It has to do with success on the field, which Miles had at Oklahoma State.

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Then how do you explain the fact in his 4th year at Okie State (first year with his recruits) his team regressed from 2nd and 3rd year?

Elite recruits put guys in the league. Thats why Carroll and Saban are recognized at the best. Just because you win doesn't mean you can recruit with the best of them.

Beamer wins all the time yet doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Miles was average at Okie State, didn't recruit at an elite level and has shown NOTHING to prove he can. This year we'll know more.

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We do have evidence that Miles can recruit.

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He produced 4 drafted players from 2006-2009 (his 4 recruiting classes).

Thats not exactly "elite" is it? Matter of fact...its pathetic.

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who is to say that any if not all of those recruits would have gone to LSU regardless of who the coach was? the argument of it was saban's players is the most stupid thing i've ever seen? most kids go to the school they want to play at, period. and saban wasn't coaching those kids, Miles and staff were....LSU won with LSU players, not sabans players.

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Who's to say Miles or any other coach would have gone after them? LSU had a history of letting kids get out of state, especially the guys that were "3-stars". Miles let Luther Davis, Robby Green, Robby Green, Darrington Sentimore and Eddie Lacy all leave the state to Saban. I can guarantee you they would be in P/G right now had Saban been at LSU.

Now, before you lose you shite and tell me that LSU got better players...hear me out. Because thats exactly my point. Who's to say Miles would have signed all of the LA kids that Saban did, he might have signed a few more OOS guys who he thought were better. You never know.

Bottom line? Saban recruited them to LSU and thats all there is too it.

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Nick Saban has never had back to back 10 win seasons, yet you are proclaiming the greatest coach ever.

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He has also never stuck around to coach what he has built. Lets wait and see what happens at Bama in the future.

Its funny the only people who question Saban are disgruntled LSU Fans. The general consensus is he is a prick, who can recruit and coach with the elite of the elite. You know you are wrong when you are in the vast minority.

Heck even Auburn fans note him as being elite.

Get over it corndogs.

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You are comparing a large period average with a relatively small tract of time. And one preselected to suit your point at that. By your logic, if we win almost every game we play for a period of 7 years....but then we lose almost every game we play in another 7 years, and then we are just above average for the rest of the time...then that means we never had a dominant period ever in that timeframe. Those 7 years of winning almost every game didn't really exist.

Your argument is more of program consistency than it is ever being a "powerhouse."

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Find me a 7 year run like Saban gave you and I'll leave this board...2 Conference titles, 1 MNC. Find one. Any 7 year run, by your logic you should be able to find one, breaking it up right?

1999 3 8
1998 4 7
1997 9 3
1996 10 2
1995 7 4 1
1994 4 7
1993 5 6
1992 2 9
1991 5 6
1990 5 6
1989 4 7
1988 8 4
1987 10 1 1
1986 9 3
1985 9 2 1
1984 8 3 1
1983 4 7
1982 8 3 1
1981 3 7 1
1980 7 4
1979 7 5
1978 8 4
1977 8 4
1976 7 3 1
1975 5 6
1974 5 5 1
1973 9 3
1972 9 2 1
1971 9 3
1970 9 3
1969 9 1
1968 8 3
1967 7 3 1
1966 5 4 1
1965 8 3
1964 8 2 1
1963 7 4
1962 9 1 1
1961 10 1
1960 5 4 1
1959 9 2
1958 11 0
1957 5 5
1956 3 7
1955 3 5 2
1954 5 6
1953 5 3 3
1952 3 7
1951 7 3 1
1950 4 5 2

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There you go reacting again....

Why then didn't you apply the same standard to Saban's starting time for when his period "counted?"

Oh...Miles gets a Saban recruit correction factor.

But Saban doesn't...because he is Saban. Whatever happened changed for the better the moment he touched it.

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1. Saban won his NC in his 4th year, with HIS players.
2. Starting in 2001 LSU had a large number of freshman contributors...recruited by who?
3. The talent level was not the same when Saban arrived, as it was when Miles arrived.
4. Saban's team got significantly BETTER in his 4th year with his first full team...Miles' team got significantly WORSE.

Thats why.

Saban is a proven recruiter...Miles is not. And no, I don't use Rivals to determine recruiting success. I use production and draft picks by the NFL. Saban pumped out more draft picks while at MSU than that school had seen in the previous decade. The man can recruit.

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i'll say miles is such of a damn good recruiter (and that is a fact, a-hole) that LSU would have likely had a lot of success

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So good that in his first year with more than 4 starters recruited by him LSU had a pathetic season.

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Really?

To be honest all of your little historical data can be explained away with one statement: Bear Bryant. It didn't matter how good LSU was, we were rarely good enough. (Although you got it by cheating compared to today's standards though. )

After his departure LSU was on the downward slide of the cycles of football, and then came back under Saban.

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Omg where do I even begin...

From 1950-1999 LSU had a winning % of .611, thats good for 25th in the nation. Not exactly what I would call a powerhouse. From 2000-2007 LSU had a winning % of .79...good for SIXTH in the nation. With 2 Championships and 3 Conference Championships. POWERHOUSE!

LSU was not a powerhouse before him...Alabama was a powerhouse before he arrived. Bryant put us on the map, any fool will tell you that. He created a legacy and we couldn't find anyone after him until Saban. Difference is, THERE WAS NO LEGACY at LSU before Saban arrived. Huge difference.

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When was the last time LSU had won a national title before Saban? 1958. How about conference title? I don't know that one...

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4 conference titles from 1959-1999. Hadn't had one in 12 years before he arrived...he won a Conference Championship in 2.

Is this even a debate anymore?