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Posted on 11/19/13 at 8:59 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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We have the recruits just everyone is young on defense, especially at corner. They can't stick with the wide receivers and give the dline a chance to put pressure on the qb. We haven't blitzed our linebackers a lot because they have help out the secondary. On top of that you have freak getting double teamed all year. That's why ego seemed to be the better pass rusher at the beginning of the year because he had one dude blocking him. 2011 defense was sick because we had two all American corners along with Reid at safety and an all nfl dline. That year was experience defensive cohesion. This year was full of guys who we're playing high school ball a couple of months ago.
Damnt guy that is not it. The experienced guys are the ones starting, I mean are you stupid? We don't have a guy worth a flip that's a junior or senior and the sophmores terrible players whose faults were covered by guys who left for the NFL. White is the only starting freshman. Everybody else has been here at least a year and played most of it. Robinson should be starting at base and we should rotate more defensive line guys early. I can understand they don't want to start a lot of freshman but other teams are doing it and it works! Get talent on the field and let him learn and prepare for next year.
But no, I'm pretty sure giving a crappy guy who has been here 3, 4, and 5 years a start over younger guys with better talent is the solution. I can't see anybody with experience outside of Ego, Johnson on defense who would go before the 4th.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:22 pm to CP3LSU25
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we said the same about Sam and Mingo their last year
People were just too stupid to realize that they still played incredible. Sam had the stats (37 tackles, 13 TFL, 8.0 sacks, 2 PD, 2 FF) and crashed the pocket or sent the QB running to Mingo. Mingo still lived in the backfield, he just overplayed himself a lot. Sam (stat wise) was actually better without Brockers. The 2011 line was just ridiculous and he needed to do more without the extra beef inside.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:34 pm to Datbayoubengal
we are in deep shite if we lose Johnson and Ego this year. although they haven't lit it up, they are obviously far better than anyone else we have b/c they have played 90percent of the snaps.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 9:59 pm to countryboy2
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I understand that they haven't set world on fire but none of the young guys must have been even close to being ready to play this year. With very little depth, we didn't play any of them except Lacouture who didn't do much. If they couldn't even sniff the field this year, what makes you think they will be dominant next year??
a.) Montgomery redshirted and played like gangbusters until injury the next year.
b.) Benny Logan redshirted and sat for a year then surprised a lot of people with his play, not to mention, starting in place of "super-freshman" Anthony Johnson.
c.) Brockers redshirted, then was a dominant DT for 2 years.
need more???
Just because a player does not see the field his true freshman year is not a reason to write off said player.
A vast majority (99+%)of OL and DL first year players nationally see little to no playing time for a reason; they are physically not ready for the rigors of college football.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:12 pm to TigerNE
Surely the DT position will be better next season.
LaCoutre should make big strides and hopefully at least one of the trio--Gilmore, Bain & Herron--will step forward in a pretty big way.
By the way, we now see that losing Benny Logan to the NFL had a similar impact as losing some of the other defensive starters mentioned more often. I think he is now starting for Philadelphia.
LaCoutre should make big strides and hopefully at least one of the trio--Gilmore, Bain & Herron--will step forward in a pretty big way.
By the way, we now see that losing Benny Logan to the NFL had a similar impact as losing some of the other defensive starters mentioned more often. I think he is now starting for Philadelphia.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:18 pm to countryboy2
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If Ego and Freak leave early, we are totally screwed
How? They've been non existent this year anyways.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:26 pm to Boudreaux in SF
May be all misguided here but my thought is that Brockers, Sam, Mingo, and Logan all RS'd before Les went in a different direction.
It wasn't too far back that one of the criticisms lobbed against Les was that he wouldn't play young players before experienced players even if by all appearances the younger was better.
It wasn't too far back that one of the criticisms lobbed against Les was that he wouldn't play young players before experienced players even if by all appearances the younger was better.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:52 pm to AlwysATgr
People act like we havent recruited well. Johnson was a cant miss prospect. People would have been pissed if we let him get away. He just hasnt lived up to the hype. Im worried about dt, but i also think some of these guys may stay. Helping out with depth next year. We had a nice hall last class and it usually takes a year to get physically ready to play dt in the sec. We will see some of the younger guys emerge next year, remember some of our guys didnt blow up until later. Some do sooner than others, but we arent going to have a michael brockers ever cycle.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:22 pm to AlwysATgr
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May be all misguided here but my thought is that Brockers, Sam, Mingo, and Logan all RS'd before the Les went in a different direction.
I would not use the word misguided, but I think that the notion of different direction is an internet fabrication; there are numerous examples to the contrary about playing younger players in the earlier years of Miles' tenure.
A lot of our fans appear to be as patient as a child at Christmas; can not wait to play with the new shiny toy, even if said toy is not ready for play. Also lost on some is that the star system is not an indication of a superior player at that moment in time. Was Patrick Peterson a better player for the first game of the season than the person he eventually replaced? No, but eventually with work and understanding of the defensive system, he argumentatively was.
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It wasn't too far back that one of the criticisms lobbed against Les was that he wouldn't play young players before experienced players even if by all appearances the younger was better.
Whose judgment is indicated by "all appearances" in this quote? Much more than raw talent determine who is on the field.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:39 am to Boudreaux in SF
How do you figure Lacouture will blow up. And one of the three freshman will make an impact. These are all guesses. I agree that Johnson and Ego were not great but they were obviously far superior than kids who didn't even touch the field this year. We're in trouble if we don't pull a stud or two or JUCO guy who can have an immediate impact
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:58 am to SammyTiger
quote:Lacouture = Kyle Williams early on.
Expect Lacouture to make a jump next year. Remember this guy is a true fresman, guy is gonna be a monster.
Pocic will be the next Whitworth on OL.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:19 am to BRAVEHEART
We just need players to improve which they will. This year it seemed like some if not most regressed. Loston/barrow/freak.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:43 am to countryboy2
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How do you figure Lacouture will blow up.
I didn't mention any names going forward; but to be overly pessimistic and espouse a view that players never improve is idiotic. There is far too much evidence to the contrary. (Lavar Edwards?, Michael Brockers?, Kyle Williams?, Marcus Spears?, etc. All improved over their careers at LSU. There is a reason it is called a career.)
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How do you figure Lacouture will blow up. And one of the three freshman will make an impact.
At least give the players one year in the system before roasting them. You have no idea why Gilmore, Herron and Bain have not gotten on the field, but some of our genius fan (yourself included) are proclaiming that they can not be good because they sat a year - What a BFS guess.
FYI, that's a year of specialized training, skill practices, and a lot of hard work; but that will never pay off, right?
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We're in trouble if we don't pull a stud or two or JUCO guy who can have an immediate impact
See above, little impatient kid looking for the shiny new toy.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:49 am to BRAVEHEART
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Lacouture = Kyle Williams early on.
besides them being white DTs, they don't look to have much in common. Lacouture seems to be more in the Al Woods mold, or hopefully Brockers.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:04 am to ATLTiger
I'm not saying the young guys won't be solid. But to believe they go from kids not even close to seeing the field to game changes next year is idiotic.
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