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re: With JJ at QB, LSU went 3-and-out in 4 of 6 series (67%)

Posted on 11/9/09 at 11:42 am to
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 11:42 am to
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Wash (3-6) bowl unlikely
Vandy (2-8) no bowl
ULL (5-4) no bowl last yr with similar record
Moo St (4-5) bowl unlikely

But, but, but these teams were vastly improved, they were all bowl bound, and that was the sole reason why LSU was 112th in offensive production. It could not be cuz JJ is not very good.




We suck at QB. That is all.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 11:54 am to
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We suck at QB. That is all.

But you just have to love the gripes about Lee being sacked, but no mention of JJs intentional grounding that cost us a down, a 15 yard penalty, and a possible FG try.

Or how they gripe about Lees 4th down int, yet no mention of JJ on 4th down against UF, where he only didnt get off a pass, but fumbled the ball as well.

But its The Rant, so you overlook the wealth of ignorance.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 11:56 am to
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But you just have to love the gripes about Lee being sacked, but no mention of JJs intentional grounding that cost us a down, a 15 yard penalty, and a possible FG try.


what penalty is there for intential grounding again? is it not the exact same thing if he lets the guy hit him?

Anyone who doesn't think Jefferson played well is stupid

RobbBobb has already proven to be mentally retarded
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16835 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 11:58 am to
i think its just crowton not being very good at developing QB's.

Miles needs to send him packing IMO FWIW.

last yrs disaster and this yr's 100+ ranked offense.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:03 pm to
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is it not the exact same thing if he lets the guy hit him?

Right because all penalties come with a loss of down attatched. Rob looks like a MENSA candidate compared to you right now.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:16 pm to
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Anyone who doesn't think Jefferson played well is stupid

quote:

With JJ at QB, LSU went 3-and-out in 4 of 6 series (67%)

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:18 pm to
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Jefferson is our best qb.


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103rd ranked offense



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Then its going to be an agonizing three years with Crowtons system


It has nothing to do with our absolutely awful offensive line, I promise.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9165 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:20 pm to
I've come to the conclusion that our offensive woes are similar to our defensive woes last year. Too much confusion.

I just hope Miles solves this problem like he did with the defense last offseason.

This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:22 pm to
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Right because all penalties come with a loss of down attatched. Rob looks like a MENSA candidate compared to you right now


This is funny because you're wrong.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61452 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:27 pm to
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it not the exact same thing if he lets the guy hit him?



Right because all penalties come with a loss of down


I believe the poster was referencing a sack. Which has a loss of down, the intentional grounding is the exact thing as taking the sack.


Dont worry, I wanted to see Lee too, I was wrong.

He looked worse than last year, is not mobile, and made the exact same dumb decisions accompanied by inaccurate throws.

JJ is the best we got, and I do believe if he stays in, we had at least a punchers chance.
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
Member since Jan 2009
22439 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:34 pm to
i don't care for the Lee bashing, but you never liked Jefferson and probably the best thing you will ever say about him is that
quote:

he is just alright, but Mauck and Flynn's championship teams were better then his


This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 12:37 pm to
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he is just alright, but Mauck and Flynn's championship teams were better then his


Too much overemphasis on the QB and underemphasis on the Offensive Line. The biggest difference between 2009 and 2003 and 2007 is a very, very weak Offensive Line.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 2:48 pm to
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He looked worse than last year, is not mobile, and made the exact same dumb decisions accompanied by inaccurate throws.

The problem is, Lee is at the same place in his development due to having almost no snaps. JJ has produced worse offensive numbers, with 11 straight games under his belt!! We have digressed. That is a fact. Its too late in the year to turn to Lee, as we saw with Bama.

Crowton/Miles rolled the dice with JJ. it didnt work. Lee will soon be gone. And our only hope will be if Garrett can develop into a stud, because you cannot overlook the fact the JJ had one successful drive out of 6 against Bama. JJ was no better, and has had 11 straight starts.

Which means our offense does not work with the athletes we have. Time for a new scheme.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:16 pm to
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With JJ at QB, LSU went 3-and-out in 4 of 6 series (67%)
He's not great but he's better than anything else we've got.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:21 pm to
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The problem is, Lee is at the same place in his development due to having almost no snaps. JJ has produced worse offensive numbers, with 11 straight games under his belt!! We have digressed. That is a fact. Its too late in the year to turn to Lee, as we saw with Bama.


Are you wilfully ignorant?

Let me see if I speak slowly . . .

We . . .have . . .no . . .balance. . . on . . .offense . . .because . . .we . . .can't . . .run . . .the . . .ball. Our . . .offensive . . .line . . . is . . . not . . .good.

We're asking a 19 year old with "11 games under his belt" to be completely responsible for our entire offensive production. We got away with it in 2006 when we had the best quarterback in counrty under center, but still had two losses to #1 and #7.

I'll agree that Jefferson isn't great, but he's is definitely in the top 4 in the conference and light years better than Lee.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22592 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:21 pm to
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The defense is playing very, very well, arguably well enough to win. They gave up one long TD drive and one big play TD against Bama.


Alabama had 450 yards of offense in the game. That's a little more than one long drive and one big play.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:24 pm to
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Alabama had 450 yards of offense in the game.


280 before devasting injuries. They played well until Jefferson, Scott, and Peterson went down.

Its tough to ask them to hold up when the offense goes 3 and out the entire fourth quarter.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:35 pm to
Let's look at the stats for a moment:

Jefferson was 10-17 (58% COMPLETION I think) for 115 yards; 1 TD and 33 yards rushing. All of this was done essentially in one half of play. If Scott doesn't drop that pass, that hit him directly in the hands with the nearest defenders 10 yards away, JJ goes 11-17 (about a 64% completion rate) and about 140 yards passing.

Look at the way all other SEC QBs have played vs Bama and you will see their numbers aren't good. JJ wasn't the problem Saturday; if anything, his absence during the 2nd half was a problem.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49417 posts
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:39 pm to
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if anything, his absence during the 2nd half was a problem.


He and Peterson getting knocked out the game is far and away the biggest reason for the loss.

He's played better than every SEC QB outside of Tebow and Mallett, and with no running game.
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