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Winners do not quit in the face of adversity

Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:10 pm
When LSU lost to Auburn, there were posters who said that the season was lost, championships were out of reach, and LSU should play for "next year." The team and the coaching staff could have quit. They could have gone the way of South Carolina mid-season. South Carolina quit and has continued to lose, beating only lowly Furman in their last five games. Spurrier has certainly quit on interviews.

But at LSU, the team doesn't play for "next year." At LSU, they play for victory.

After the Auburn game, other teams started losing, the invincible became vincible, LSU's defense started getting stout, and the offense started gaining ground. LSU got right back into the title hunt but fell a bad call, dropped pass, or failed kickoff short.

The calls for playing for "next year" have been renewed, even louder than before. Posters type crap like, there is no difference between 7-5 and 9-3; LSU needs to get experience for "next year"; and LSU needs to eliminate the "unknown."

If you want to play for "next year," try telling that to La'el Collins. Tell him he is risking injury for LSU's prospects "next year." Or is the plan to bench Collins, so LSU can see develop left tackle experience for "next year"? Doesn't LSU need to know what it has at left tackle for "next year"?

Are those that want to play for "next year" going to say that to Hilliard, Magee, and Rasco? Tell them that their hard work only mattered for the first ten games? Tell them you don't care what bowl they play in? Are they going to risk injury too, or are they going to be subbed so that LSU can develop experience at their positions?

And if LSU is going to play for "next year," what about four years from now? Is the future of LSU four years from now to be sacrificed for "next year"? Who is going to explain to LSU's recuits and targets that LSU doesn't always play for victory, that the recruits should ignore the next two games and LSU's season record because LSU is playing for "next year."

LSU doesn't get the #1 draft pick by losing the next two games. LSU doesn't get extra lottery numbers if they drop the next two games.

What the hell does playing for "next year" send as a message? That it's okay to fail for the rest of this time period because you've already lost your goals? frick it, I won't run today because I didn't run yesterday; I'll pick it up again on Monday. Screw sales for the rest of this quarter becase my numbers for this quarter are shot; I'll start working hard again next quarter. I'm going to lose weight next month because I;ve already eaten badly for this month. I'll work on grades next semester because it's too hard to bring up my grades this semester.

Winners do not quit. They do not quit when the national title appears unobtainable. They do not quit when they cannot win the conference. Winners do not quit.

LSU does not play for "next year."

LSU plays for victory.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18496 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:11 pm to
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LSU does not play for "next year." LSU plays for victory.
And this is the major reason Jennings will continue to start. We may see Harris some, but the competition will not begin until spring practice. Les only cares about winning, to which I agree.
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
11403 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:13 pm to
You have to come to terms that LSU has A LOT of ignorant "fans".
Posted by NakaTrash
Texas Hill Country
Member since Dec 2013
6139 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:13 pm to
Insert Herm Edwards "you play to win the game" gif
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:26 pm to
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LSU does not play for "next year."


Agreed. Two starts at the end of the year will not significantly impact what kind of QB Harris will or will not be next year.

I'm pretty pissed about Bama and pretty bummed about our recent lack of success in getting to a major bowl, but we need to win every game we can by hook or by crook. I really think we finish 9-3 with a chance to win another shitty bowl.

Better than seasons in which a team melts down and quits.
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
5857 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:24 pm to
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LSU does not play for "next year." LSU plays for victory


Awesome post.
Even though we think as a fanbase that we'd like to see a change, and that Brandon Harris is the future, the coaches see what the truth is.
It's obvious that this team does not quit. We are lucky that they are not as fickle as the fans.
As for Harris, his talent will come through and he will shine next year . . . IF his mind gets right.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:33 pm to
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LSU got right back into the title hunt but fell a bad call, dropped pass, or failed kickoff short.


You know we won a game b/c of this right?
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7272 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:38 pm to
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You know we won a game b/c of this right?

And your point? Winning championships takes luck as well as skill. Pretty sure you would be one of the few complaining if LSU won a championship because of the opposition dropping a pass.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:42 pm to
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And your point?


Quit using that as a reason why we lost. The excuses used by our fanbase is pathetic. The refs, the kickoff, the drops shite happens. Face reality for once instead of blaming everything other than the real reasons we lost.

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Pretty sure you would be one of the few complaining if LSU won a championship because of the opposition dropping a pass.


Yeh i am pretty sure you must be a dumbass to think this
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76213 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:56 pm to
I don't care. I'm ready to see what BH can do. If it means Music City bowl instead of Chicken bowl, whatever
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5517 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:23 pm to
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I don't care.
Good For You. There are other people in the universe besides you. Some of those people have a tad more invested in LSU's outcome than you do.



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I'm ready to see what BH can do. If it means Music City bowl instead of Chicken bowl, whatever
Good For You. We saw what BH can do.

LINK
Posted by Coonass
Buckhead
Member since Sep 2005
2755 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:28 pm to
And now next year is lost too. Could have a chance at a championship but nope. We will still have Harris on the bench with no experience. Congrats. Had a chance to beat Bama though. But no.. Now the season is lost
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:32 pm to
how many points did jennings lead the team to vs auburn? ZERO

how many third downs did jennings convert vs auburn? ZERO

keep in mind that jennings played mostly against back ups as the score was so lopsided even early.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76213 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:32 pm to
Didn't mean to offend you, AJ
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:43 pm to
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championships were out of reach


they are.

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LSU should play for "next year." The team and the coaching staff could have quit.


playing for something long term isnt quitting. Do you have trouble with long term agendas, or thinking more than a year out? Miles seems to have similar disabilities in recruiting.

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Who is going to explain to LSU's recruits and targets that LSU doesn't always play for victory, that the recruits should ignore the next two games and LSU's season record because LSU is playing for "next year."


The two arent mutually exclusive. I know you thought you had come up with some amazing analogy in your head, but it's a logical fallacy, a false dichotomy. One can be located in the sample space of winning AND getting experience together for next year. They arent mutually exclusive. I am sure you work for the football team now, because only a moron would think they are mutually exclusive.

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frick it, I won't run today because I didn't run yesterday; I'll pick it up again on Monday. Screw sales for the rest of this quarter becase my numbers for this quarter are shot; I'll start working hard again next quarter. I'm going to lose weight next month because I;ve already eaten badly for this month. I'll work on grades next semester because it's too hard to bring up my grades this semester.


Actually, you have it backwards again, If you'rte getting ready for next week in running or whatever, you should be working even harder now to ensure that you have success then.

Again, you seem like a simpleton who doesnt understand that hard work and PROPER preparation now yields results later. Not day of in the moment work.

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Winners do not quit. They do not quit when the national title appears unobtainable. They do not quit when they cannot win the conference. Winners do not quit.


You can win and get ready for next year. Your post is an abject failure.

Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5517 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:06 pm to
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how many points did jennings lead the team to vs auburn? ZERO

how many third downs did jennings convert vs auburn? ZERO
Watch this video: Harris v. Jennings at Auburn

Jennings is MUCH better than Harris, and it's not even close.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:07 pm to
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Jennings is MUCH better than Harris, and it's not even close.


quoted.

Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5517 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:33 pm to
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championships were out of reach
they are.
:smh:

Once again, you misread and misquoted what I typed:
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When LSU lost to Auburn, there were posters who said that the season was lost, championships were out of reach
Championships were not out of reach at that time. They are after the Bama game, but you don't have a point.

LSU play's for victory even when some goals are out of reach. There are still goals to achieve: victory over Arkansas, victory over Texas A&M, a higher quality bowl, a ten-win season, etc. There are still things to play for. Victory is just one of many goals.



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LSU should play for "next year." The team and the coaching staff could have quit.[quote]playing for something long term isnt quitting
playing for something long term isnt quitting
If LSU is playing for next year and not for victory, then they are quitting on the goals they set for this year. All of the players would agree with me, particularly the seniors.



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The two arent mutually exclusive. I know you thought you had come up with some amazing analogy in your head, but it's a logical fallacy, a false dichotomy.
I did not create the dichotomy. I'm just using the dichotomy created by most posters.

Most posters agree that Jennings gives LSU a better chance to win NOW. Many posters want Harris to get experience in the next two games so that LSU will perform better NEXT YEAR. If you believe that Harris gives LSU a better chance to win NOW, you're entitled to your opinion. However, that's the subject of another thread, not this thread.



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frick it, I won't run today because I didn't run yesterday; I'll pick it up again on Monday. Screw sales for the rest of this quarter because my numbers for this quarter are shot; I'll start working hard again next quarter. I'm going to lose weight next month because I’ve already eaten badly for this month. I'll work on grades next semester because it's too hard to bring up my grades this semester.
Actually, you have it backwards again, If you'rte getting ready for next week in running or whatever, you should be working even harder now to ensure that you have success then.

Again, you seem like a simpleton who doesnt understand that hard work and PROPER preparation now yields results later. Not day of in the moment work.
Well, there you go again. misquoting me.
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What the hell does playing for "next year" send as a message? That it's okay to fail for the rest of this time period because you've already lost your goals? frick it, I won't run today because I didn't run yesterday; I'll pick it up again on Monday. Screw sales for the rest of this quarter because my numbers for this quarter are shot; I'll start working hard again next quarter. I'm going to lose weight next month because I’ve already eaten badly for this month. I'll work on grades next semester because it's too hard to bring up my grades this semester.
I was giving specific examples of similar BAD messages. One should never quit in the current time period to focus on the following time period.



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You can win and get ready for next year. Your post is an abject failure.
Yes, you can. But AGAIN, I did not create the dichotomy. I am merely repeating the thoughts of most of the posters. And you either deliberately missed the entire point of the OP or you're too stupid to understand.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:39 pm to
What happens if the "winners" don't quit in the face of adversity, but they still lose in the event or game or whatever?

Did they face the adversity? Did the adversity beat them? Are they still winners? Are they losers?
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