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re: Will Wade - No "Offer" Possible?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:38 am to tigerbait121
Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:38 am to tigerbait121
Still no balls
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:39 am to Goldrush25
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What if the offer was a starting position on the team? I know it wasn't, we all know it wasn't, but if you can't prove what the offer was, you can't prove it was a violation of the rules.
So the bigger piece of the pie that the handler wanted for himself and was holding out for was more starting time for Smart? It makes no sense in context with the quotes.
Absolute proof is not needed. Hell, it is not needed in a criminal case and the NCAA’s burden is nowhere near that high. From the circumstantial evidence presented, and strong evidence at that, he was offering something of value to the family and to the handler.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:32 pm to LSUJML
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Coaches “offer” kids scholarships all the time to get commitments
It’s not a violation
You don’t know what the offer was anymore than I do
Except fornthe restbof the tapes where your dumb arse omits the part of him saying hes not sure if the handler was given enough after the mom and kid took theirs.
Nownim no genius, but im pretty sure LSU doesnt divide a true scholarship between player, parent, and handler
Idiot
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:47 pm to themunch
No it isnt.
Otherwise the entire collegiate game would die in minutes.
Offer a coke? Ban.
A lunch? Ban.
You couldn't offer a ride to the game without being banned.
I'd that were the case Xion couldn't have played this year as his dad acted like an agent. The Cecil Newton Rule.
Otherwise the entire collegiate game would die in minutes.
Offer a coke? Ban.
A lunch? Ban.
You couldn't offer a ride to the game without being banned.
I'd that were the case Xion couldn't have played this year as his dad acted like an agent. The Cecil Newton Rule.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:56 pm to GeeOH
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Except fornthe restbof the tapes where your dumb arse omits the part of him saying hes not sure if the handler was given enough after the mom and kid took theirs. Nownim no genius, but im pretty sure LSU doesnt divide a true scholarship between player, parent, and handler
Idiot
1) See page 4 where I posted article from Yahoo & admitted I was wrong, I was basing my opinion off of the article from The Advocate which omitted the other quotes
2) Learn to spell and / or type before you call someone else an idiot
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:00 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Listen to yourself. Do you sincerely believe they are hoping to find something knowing how much it will set the program behind? Think about the word "sincerely" and answer. Go!
onsidering we interviewed family plus multiple non family members and still haven’t fired wade for cause means we didn’t find shite but compliance and the administration still has hope to find dirt
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:18 pm to LSUJML
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Coaches “offer” kids scholarships all the time to get commitments It’s not a violation
And when they do offer, it is to the player themselves, their family, or a sports agent registered with the NCAA. Not a person anyone in college basketball coaching would know was a corporate bagman that steered money to players. There was no legitimate reason for Wade to even answer Dawkins call.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:20 pm to EA6B
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sports agent registered with the NCAA.
No such thing you dumbass.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:23 pm to Jack Crevalle
The offer if any appears to,be to the handler. And the handler clearly wanted more. At the end of the day Smart might not have gotten anything. Nothing ever paid? Handler stole it all? Handler and mom took all the money?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:30 pm to LSUJML
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I know now, he didn’t get enough of the piece of the pie in the deal.”
Purely speculation, as is everything at this point since the full tape is not available, but with a statement like “bigger piece of the pie,” I interpret that as referring to something that has a finite amount. Something like playing time is absolute and then distributed amongst all players who play in a particular game so wanting a bigger piece of the playing time pie makes sense to me. I’m not assuming Wade is necessarily referring to playing time here, but if he was referring to cash exchanging hands, I would assume that he might have a budget, but a somewhat fluid one. I doubt that if Wade was paying players he would be like, “I’ve got x dollars to give to my recruits and my offer to you is y.” Piece of pie just seems like an odd statement for Wade to use if he’s referring to a cash offer. Wouldn’t he just say something like “he wants more” and not refer to a pie at all?
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:48 pm to Carville
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No such thing you dumbass.
My bad, Sports agent registered with the state as supported by the by the NCAA. Dawkins was not.
"The NCAA supports the Uniform Athlete Agents Act (UAAA) and its adoption in every state. There can be significant damage resulting from the impermissible and oftentimes illegal practices of some athlete agents. Violations of NCAA agent legislation impact the eligibility of student-athletes for further participation in NCAA competition. Violations also may result in harsh penalties on the team and the university (including the imposition of NCAA sanctions that have resulted in the repayment of monies received from NCAA championship competition, forfeiture of contests and other penalties). The UAAA is an important tool in regulating the activities of athlete agents and protecting NCAA student-athletes and member institutions."
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:00 pm to lsufanva
quote:Cam Newton
What did Auburn get ?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:13 pm to MustWin
I’m curious..what if someone (Wade) feels pressure to keep a local superstar out of the hands of a scumbag (Calipari)...but later decides against what he thought he needed to do and rescinds offer(s)? Kinda like if someone is recorded discussing hiring someone to kill his wife...but comes to senses and tells would be killer to take a hike.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:20 pm to EA6B
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My bad, Sports agent registered with the state as supported by the by the NCAA. Dawkins was not.
Apologize for the dumbass remark.
I disagree with you on much of the things you’ve posted on this topic, but your posts are well thought out and not mean spirited. Sorry bud.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:23 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:going off memory here... I think the wording of the NCAA in regards to improper benefits contains the wording "providing extra benefits or the promise of extra benefits"
According to the statement that LSU released yesterday. I forget the exact phrasing, but discussing any type of payment or extras or some thing of that nature.
so 'making an offer' = 'promise of improper benefits'
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:27 pm to MustWin
It could have nothing to do with Smart, or maybe somebody with influence over smart had their hand out. Or it could all be a big misunderstanding. It's not like anyone is being open about it.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:28 pm to MustWin
Actually wade has some explaining to do.
The fact he has not explained anything is why he finds himself where he is.
Admittedly he is doing the right thing by keeping his mouth shut until after he testifies.
However the school is not doing the wrong thing by holding him out until the matterl is investigated and will is cleared of wrongdoing.
The fact he has not explained anything is why he finds himself where he is.
Admittedly he is doing the right thing by keeping his mouth shut until after he testifies.
However the school is not doing the wrong thing by holding him out until the matterl is investigated and will is cleared of wrongdoing.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:42 pm to LSUJML
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See page 4
No thanks.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:09 pm to Macavity92
"From the circumstantial evidence presented, and strong evidence at that, he was offering something of value to the family and to the handler"
Wrong.
He SAID that an offer was made during the conversation with Dawkins. This does not mean that an offer was actually made. Wade could very well have known that the FBI was wire tapping the conversation and was working in conjunction with the FBI to entrap Dawkins into conversing about "offers" Dawkins might have been involved with. In this case, Wade brings up the subject with his lie about the "offer" to Smart. The FBI certainly would not want this known before the trial so Wade is under a gag order. Meanwhile, in an attempt to find out if his client had been set up by Wade and the FBI, Dawkin's defense attorney releases the transcript to Yahoo for publication. This is an effort to structure his defense during the trial and probably sets the table for why Wade was issued a subpoena to testify.
Wrong.
He SAID that an offer was made during the conversation with Dawkins. This does not mean that an offer was actually made. Wade could very well have known that the FBI was wire tapping the conversation and was working in conjunction with the FBI to entrap Dawkins into conversing about "offers" Dawkins might have been involved with. In this case, Wade brings up the subject with his lie about the "offer" to Smart. The FBI certainly would not want this known before the trial so Wade is under a gag order. Meanwhile, in an attempt to find out if his client had been set up by Wade and the FBI, Dawkin's defense attorney releases the transcript to Yahoo for publication. This is an effort to structure his defense during the trial and probably sets the table for why Wade was issued a subpoena to testify.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 5:13 pm to Paul Maul number 37
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Wrong.
He SAID that an offer was made during the conversation with Dawkins. This does not mean that an offer was actually made. Wade could very well have known that the FBI was wire tapping the conversation and was working in conjunction with the FBI to entrap Dawkins into conversing about "offers" Dawkins might have been involved with. In this case, Wade brings up the subject with his lie about the "offer" to Smart. The FBI certainly would not want this known before the trial so Wade is under a gag order. Meanwhile, in an attempt to find out if his client had been set up by Wade and the FBI, Dawkin's defense attorney releases the transcript to Yahoo for publication. This is an effort to structure his defense during the trial and probably sets the table for why Wade was issued a subpoena to t
Laugh out fricking LOUD
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