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cittizinsrat
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Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
WARNING: this is a conference realignment thread

Expanding from 12 to 14 teams created a terrible cross-division environment imo. They'll never turn back, however expanding again to 16 teams could correct some initial expansion issues.

At 16 teams (I'll leave who those 2 teams would be up for debate), the SEC could move to a college/NFL hybrid schedule. Split the East and West into 4 divisions, with 4 teams in each, and move to a 9 game conference schedule (like most other power 5 conferences already).

Games 1-3: each team would play the other 3 teams in their own division (easy)

Games 4-7: on a 3 year rotation, each division would play one other division as a group (like the NFL)

Games 8-9: Keeping the "traditional rivalry" proponents happy, each team would have 3 cross-division permanent opponents (1 in each of division). Each team would play their 2 permanent opponents from the 2 divisions that are "off-rotation."

SEC Championship: The 2 winners of the cross-division matches would advance to the SEC Championship (this is unique as the potential teams playing would constantly rotate).



Example:

Divisions A, B, C, and D (NW, NE, SW, SE)

LSU would be in Division C and be team 1 (C1) (A1, B1, and D1 would be LSU's permanent opponents)

Year 1: Division C would play Division D (C/D) and Division A would play division B (A/B). C1 (LSU) would play teams C2, C3, C4, D1, D2, D3, D4, A1, and B1, The C/D winner would play the A/B winner in the SEC Championship

Year 2: A/C vs B/D. LSU would play C2, C3, C4, D1, A1, A2, A3, A4, and B1

Year 3: A/D vs B/C. LSU would play C2, C3, C4, D1, A1, B1, B2, B3, and B4

Year 4: rotation year 1 repeat.




This would cut the time of playing every team in half. LSU would play the other 15 teams at least once every 3 years and have an away game at each school at least once every 6 years.


((I have no idea if this actually makes sense but thought of it a couple years ago and am finally sharing it.))


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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Actually.... I like it


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Tigerpride18
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
My head hurts


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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Currently to have a conf title game you have to have two round robin divisions. To expand, it’s likely that the SEC, or whoever currently at 14 expands, will have to petition to eliminate that rule. If only one conference is looking to expand this way, i could see a lot of votes going against them in this move. But you never know.

Rather than play as four divisions, I find it more likely that a 16+ conference would play as one big blob and take the top two and stage the CCG that way.

The SEC could easily go with five permanent rivals and three rotating spots, but this would be toughest on the traditions of LSU, who would drop either Alabama or Florida. If the SEC expanded, I’d hope that schools could play varying numbers of permanent foes with varying numbers of rotating spots for this reason.
This post was edited on 8/16 at 4:50 pm


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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Sub FSU and Miami for Oklahoma and Okie st.


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cittizinsrat
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Here's my finished example (not a perfect geographical split but had to make some adjustments for rivalries):


Division A
Expansion Team 1
Expansion Team 2
Arkansas
Missouri

Division B
Auburn
Kentucky
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Division C
Alabama
LSU
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

Division D
Florida
Georgia
Ole Miss
Tennessee





Year 1 (C/D):

Alabama
State
aTm

Florida (Permanent Opponent, but on rotation anyway)
Georgia
Ole Miss
Tennessee

Arkansas (PO)
Kentucky (PO)





Year 2 (A/C):

Alabama
State
aTm

Expansion Team 1
Expansion Team 2
Arkansas (PO, but on rotation)
Missouri

Kentucky (PO)
Florida (PO)




Year 3 B/C:

Alabama
State
aTm

Auburn
Kentucky (PO, but on rotation)
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Arkansas (PO)
Florida (PO)



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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Lose Missouri and TAM.


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LCTFAN
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
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cittizinsrat
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Games 8-9: Keeping the "traditional rivalry" proponents happy, each team would have 3 cross-division permanent opponents (1 in each of division). Each team would play their 2 permanent opponents from the 2 divisions that are "off-rotation."


Why keep a permanent opponent for the other divisions.

Keep 14 and rotate the other division every year, this way say LSU gets to play the all the Eastern opponents more often and balances the schedules for every one.

I see no need to play Florida every year and the fact that we would play Georgia more often would balance the loss of Florida every year. Also teams would get to play the opposing conference weaker teams more often there again balancing the schedule.

Good argument either way. Personally I see no benefit from adding two more teams.


cittizinsrat
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
The entire conference realignment debate revolves around a few teams demanding the rivalry and tradition status quo. While, I agree that it causes issues and only benefits a couple schools, it's not going to change.


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cittizinsrat
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
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Currently to have a conf title game you have to have two round robin divisions. To expand, it’s likely that the SEC, or whoever currently at 14 expands, will have to petition to eliminate that rule.



Admittedly, I may be misinterpreting the rule, but I believe my example remains within this guideline. The round robin happens each year just on a rotating basis.


lostinbr
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Seems that the most likely outcome for a 16-team SEC is that they keep two divisions and go to 9 conference games, possibly getting rid of the annual cross-division matchup (but probably not because Bama).

Personally I wouldn’t mind if they went to 9 conference games now. We already have to play Florida every year, so it’s not like getting more Kentucky and Vanderbilt in our lives would kill us.

I’m skeptical about whether the SEC ever goes to 16 though, just because the schools are all so adamant about keeping in-state rivals out of the conference. That rules out the obvious targets like Clemson, Florida State, Miami. Seems like the only routes to 16 teams are to either a) add lesser-quality programs or b) expand into even more states. If they do expand, I’m guessing it will be into new states for TV market reasons.


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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
You’re right. You’re basically switching effective divisions each year.


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cittizinsrat
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
If they expanded, they would want to absorb new states anyway. Ideally they'd want two states on opposite sides of the conference to maximize its reach. However, I think the easier sell would be the Oklahoma / Oklahoma State package deal.


xiv
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
Who would the Longhorns play at the State Fair ever year?

Let's not kid ourselves about how this would play out


xiv
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
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Why keep a permanent opponent for the other divisions.

Because that's the way the majority of the conference wants it. Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt all have the inter-divisional matchup they prefer.


cittizinsrat
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
UT is going to be the demise of the big 12. IMO they’d still play OU every year and end up in the pac 12 or big 10.


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lostinbr
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re: Will the SEC remain at 14 teams? (one last offseason topic)
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Let's not kid ourselves about how this would play out

Are you saying you think they would try to take UT and OU, or just that you don’t see OU/OSU jumping ship?

I think the odds of UT ever joining are minuscule between the aTm opposition and their existing TV deal. It is interesting though, because losing either Oklahoma or Texas would be the death blow to the Big 12.


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