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re: Will never forget Bobby Knight’s comments about Dale Brown

Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by tigger1
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 9:58 pm to
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Knight's remark came home to roost two years later when Brown had a team of all-star dimensions, including Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Stanley Roberts and Shaq, and only achieved 12-6 SEC and 20-9 overall, and couldn't get past the Round of 32 in the NCAA tourney. In fact all three seasons of Shaq resulted in early tournament exits, absolutely inconceivable when you think about it.



23-9 The problem with Chris not being a pg but more of a shooting guard

Had you had a Ethan, Derrick or Kenny to feed the ball, Chris would have played off guard.


I lived thought the 1960's teams, and when I say this I mean it, some fans here still do not know what Dale Brown did for LSU basketball.

If you want to think Wade was a great coach it is ok, but Dale Brown was a far better coach.

LSU basketball under Brown was fun, exciting, entertaining, always in the news, you always had 1-2 huge home or away games a year, a chance to make the NCAA after the change to more than 32 teams. Still hard to believe the 1978 team was not invited to the NCAA.

At time since has LSU basketball been fun and before Brown only Pete made LSU basketball fun. Bob is and Sparky are before my time. Bob did not learn to shot well until after leaving LSU and Sparky became a pilot.

Many here act like Brown could not coach, well look at the SEC record book and the LSU record book.

It is a Brown coached team that beat Kentucky in overtime with all 5 starters out, and that Kentucky team only lost how many games that year? 2

It was Dale Brown that coached the LSU basketball team that held North Carolina to 9 half time points, that team is a who's who of college basketball, Kenny Smith, Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins, Bard Daugherty, Matt Doherty.

LSU basketball in those times was fun to watch, and we were entertained.

This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 10:01 pm
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:04 pm to
BATON ROUGE, La. - The memory will endure.

In the pandemonium of the Assembly Center there was Dale Brown, feet off the ground, waving his fist in the air and celebrating the greatest victory of his coaching career at Louisiana State.

The final score Saturday night was LSU 95, Kentucky, No. 1, a favorite for the national championship, 94. In overtime, too.

By now, the story of LSU's game in Lexington a month ago is history. A 20-point loss and injudicious comments by Brown about UK's style of play.

Now is the time to talk about how the Tigers used five substitutes to beat the top-ranked Wildcats.

Kenny Higgs is a willing spokesman. He's the senior from Owensboro who finally realized his dream of defeating the school he wanted to attend. He's also the guy who watched the last twenty-one minutes and eighteen seconds because he fouled out.

"We hauled together," Higgs smiled afterward, still rejoicing after his team's great triumph. "It was like we were still playing there was so much spirit.

"Kentucky had most of their lineup still in there but we kept taking it to them. These are the guys we work against in practice. Victory was on our mind. And I think we wanted it more than they did."

It is certain the Tiger reserves wanted to win. Willie Sims is one. He is a freshman guard. He made LSU's last three points, on free throws. Without them, the visiting Wildcats might have survived.

"I was confident," Sims confirmed. "They are ball players just like we are and we won it.

"When I got in, I was about the only guard we had and I had to take up the slack. I knew I had to make my free throws."

Actually, Sims missed the first shot in the bonus twice. After that, he was six of eight.

There was another guard in the game for the Tigers. He was Jordy Hultberg, usually a starter, an onlooker Saturday night because Dale Brown wanted quickness in his lineup.

But, when it counted, Jordy Hultberg scored four critical points in the extra period. When Ethan Martin, a freshman who is a veteran before his time, departed with 3:02 left in overtime, Hultberg had to star. He did.

"When Kentucky went to a zone, Hultberg said, it was my time to hit some (two field goals, in fact). I didn't think about our starters being out. We all were determined to win."

And so Louisiana State did win.

There were many other heroes. Martin, for one. He had 20 points, eight assists and four steals. He had not started since early in the season. His only failure was missing several times from the field late in the game. More importantly, he was the player who ran LSU's four-corner offense.

The debate will rage as to whether the four-corner attack helped or hurt LSU. The Tigers did, at the end of regulation, lose a twelve-point lead. With victory almost certain, LSU could not hold off the rallying Cats.

But without the four corners, the Tigers might have missed out on one of the biggest upsets in their history.

"The four corners beat us against Florida," Martin declared, "and coach said he wouldn't use it again."

Dale Brown was wrong. He did use it again.

"I knew we couldn't play Kentucky straight up," Brown explained, a net draped around his neck. "We had five subs in the game and we couldn't get in a basket exchange. We stood around against Florida. "Tonight, we penetrated and were more aggressive with it."

Rick Robey, Kentucky's leading scorer with 18, had his opinion about the four corners.

"I guess it worked tonight because they won the game," Robey said. "But it did help us get back in it when we set the tempo and started running.

"We were playing well at the end. We'd come from ten points down with three minutes to go. But we missed a free throw in overtime and they made most of theirs. Whoever hits their shots in overtime will win. That was the difference."

Robey himself was involved in a controversial play.

Near the end of regulation, LSU's Martin missed from the key. Robey rebounded in heavy traffic, tried to start upcourt and was called for walking.

"I thought it was a questionable call," Robey said. "I though I was fouled on the rebound."

Three seconds remained but Sims missed the final shot, forcing the overtime.

That just delayed the inevitable - LSU winning. Kentucky losing its second game of the season - and second in Southeastern Conference play.

"We're having difficulty playing against teams that want it more than we do," losing coach Joe Hall said. "We had the momentum in overtime and lost it."

And LSU kept its cool until the glorious end. Even with two players in the game - Floyd Bailye and Rick Mattick - who had seen very limited duty.

Mattick had taken fifteen free throws all season, but he made three of four in the extra period. Two were in the bonus situation.

Bailey had shot thirteen times from the field all season. But he made both his attempts Saturday night. His stuff shot of a Sims miss gave LSU a 92-89 lead with a minute seven to go. Kentucky got no closer than two points until James Lee's basket at the end.

There was a hint of controversy earlier in the game. Martin and UK's Kyle Macy and Mike Phillips were in the backcourt. Martin committed his fourth foul, seemingly hacking Phillips.

Instead, Macy went to the foul line - and missed. When the Tiger bench saw what was happening, a player told Brown who rushed to the scorer's table.

"If I had pushed the button, it would have been an automatic technical on me," Brown explained. "I decided not to."

Phillips, meanwhile, said that Macy was fouled on the play and should have been at the foul line.

The play revived memories of Ernie Grunfeld shooting - and making - four free throws for his Tennessee Volunteers in a game at Kentucky two yeas ago.

Meanwhile, Brown had praise for his counterpart.

"After the game, Joe Hall shook my hand with a smile. That takes character especially when the opposing coach had been critical of his team's style. And the president (Otis Singletary) told me he was proud of Kentucky and said we deserved to win."

Of course, LSU deserved the victory. There can be no doubt. It was especially important because the Tigers were fired up and played well throughout.

It gives LSU a sense of legitimacy, too, in its belief that it can contend for the SEC - second this year, who knows after that.

"We have turned it around, Higgs declared. Someday they're gonna say, 'Can Kentucky beat LSU?' instead of the other way around."
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16439 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:05 pm to
Fukin Fess
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:13 pm to
There is no excitement like that around LSU basketball.

Pete made LSU basketball exciting and after a few years Brown had all of Louisiana excited about LSU basketball.

Brown burned out after Shaq and Geert Hammink, due to his best 2 recruit being injured and the Lester deal.

The article above is one of many from that era and show how exciting LSU basketball was for years on end under Brown.

But I know nothing of Brown and LSU basketball, I am only a fan of LSU.
This post was edited on 2/12/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:16 pm to
redfish I do not want to even talk about Fess and Tom Curry, both were outstanding high school recruits and easy top 10 nationwide type players coming out of high school. I saw both play a few times in high school, both seemed lost once at LSU.
Posted by Tall Tiger
Dixie
Member since Sep 2007
3220 posts
Posted on 2/12/23 at 11:17 pm to
Knight's protege, Coach K, who arguably surpassed him, had some choice words for Dale Brown led LSU basketball as well. Coach K's book Leading with the Heart devoted a few pages to the '92 game in Baton Rouge, and he described the scene as the most hostile he had ever seen, a "warzone," and that's coming from a West Point grad. The Deaf Dome had some choice chants for certain Duke players, putting it diplomatically.

LSU was lucky to get Duke that day without Bobby Hurley in the lineup. It was a close game for a while but then Laettner turned it on at the end as Duke pulled away. Coach K used freshman Cherokee Parks on Shaq for much of the game, sparing Laettner the physical wear and keeping him in the game. The TV announcers remarked as to what could have been if Jackson and Roberts had not gone pro the year prior.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10293 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:57 am to
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Will never forget Bobby Knight’s comments about Dale Brown
BATON ROUGE, La. - The memory will endure.

In the pandemonium of the Assembly Center there was Dale Brown, feet off the ground, waving his fist in the air and celebrating the greatest victory of his coaching career at Louisiana State.

The final score Saturday night was LSU 95, Kentucky, No. 1, a favorite for the national championship, 94. In overtime, too


In over 50 years of LSU basketball this was the greatest game I ever saw. The atmosphere was absolutely electric from start to finish. The sheer will to win by the Tigers despite all starters fouling out was incredible. When the final horn sounded there were fans with tears in their eyes after what they had witnessed.

Kentucky would go on to win the national championship but a message had been clearly delivered. There would soon be another king of the hill. For the next 15 years LSU battled Kentucky for SEC supremacy. meeting twice a year and sometimes three and even four times and LSU never backed down. Thats the legacy of Dale Brown that should be honored.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:06 am to
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“To paraphrase Churchill, probably never has so little been done with so much.”
Yep. Great for Knight.

Knight managed to intimidate the sh*t out of the 1987 LSU-IU officiating crew.

I don't know if we'll ever see that many moving screens in one basketball game again in our lifetimes. When Indiana's 'pulling linemen' were finally able to lay a shoulder into LSU's players in the last 5 minutes, the Refs called the fouls on LSU.

Bobby Knight was an arrogant, overrated arse of a human being. To see him collecting anything close to compliments on this board is disgusting.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13495 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:38 am to
Quick point.

It’s extremely easy to be negative and feel superior.

Just ask any two year old.
Posted by LSU_connoisseur
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2022
795 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:52 am to
frick you
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1908 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:57 am to
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Indiana players were actually grabbing Bernard Woodside and Oliver Brown when they were running Alford on the baseline to free him up for shots. I promise I'm not exaggerating, actually grabbing and holding them. And not one illegal screen was called. Yet if Wood or Oliver got close enough to breathe on Alford it was a foul. I can't truly believe they were simply that bad at their job. It was so god damn bad. I was in the crowd in Cincinnati for that game and watched the tape several times after. Simply no justification for how that game was reffed. Disgraceful.



Agree with all of that. I was in the band.

Still with all of those screens, Alford was held to 0 points from the floor. Woodside fouling out was a huge change in the game, as he had one of the best defensive performances I had seen.

Oh, and Knight should have been ejected for breaking the phone right after he got T-ed up for arguing a 3 second call.

Still gets me mad. Final Four in New Orleans would have been a madhouse, and I would have been there.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 10:10 am
Posted by LSU_connoisseur
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2022
795 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:58 am to
Btw f@ck the original poster and the 135 likes you f$&@ing pos. Dale brought a team with Ricky Blanton at center to the Final 4. F$&@ing despise the LSU haters in this board. Again frick everyone that even closely agrees with wats up Knight. Knight was a morally bankrupt piece of human debris. The 2 teams Dale took to Final Four were great accomplishments. Truly hate some of you inbreds on here. I wish Shaq would pull all funding to the school.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 10:01 am
Posted by Ralphiemay
Member since Dec 2022
279 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:02 am to
Epic melt ! Bravo sir , bravo ! You win the internet for today !
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6767 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Agree with all of that. I was in the band.

Still with all of those screens, Alford was held to 0 points from the floor. Woodside fouling out was a huge change in the game, as he had one of the best defensive performances I had seen.

Oh, and Knight should have been ejected for breaking the phone right after he got T-ed up for arguing a 3 second call.

Still gets me mad. Final Four in New Orleans would have been a madhouse, and I would have been there.


Still pisses me off more than any LSU sporting event I ever watched. It was absolute robbery. Wood was amazing in that game; just an absolute beast and how he kept his cool I'll never understand. For the people who want to bang on Brown for not going farther with CJ, Shaq, Stanley Roberts, etc., (and there is no doubt he crapped the bed with that team), have the intellectual honesty to note he almost got to (and flat out should have been) in a Final 4 with a team that started Darryl Joe, Anthony Wilson, Bernard Woodside, Oliver Brown and Nikita Wilson and had only Fess Irvin and Jose Vargas playing meaningful minutes off the bench. It was an incredible job by that team and Brown. And like the poster above said, how unbelievable would it have been for that team to play in the Final 4 in the Superdome.
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