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re: Will Ensminger be the OC next season?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Did our OC call any rollouts and move the pocket around or did he constantly keep dropping or putting Burrow in the same spot? Did our oc stop going max protect which brings more defenders to the LOS and shortens the amount of field the defenders have to cover or did he constantly go max protect and give Burrow 2 wrs options? Did our oc stop putting Burrow under center and asking him to read defenses during a drop which is far harder than in the gun or did he still use prostyle tactics in a spread world?
Are you addressing the Bama game specifically because Burrow took far more snaps out of the gun than LSU did in 2017? If you are talking Bama game the conservative play calling ended the game before it started. I agree we needed to get Burrow out of the pocket or roll the pocket.
As for max protect vs spread I also think the spread would have been more effective, but I also saw a clip someone posted of one of the max protect plays with 3 WRs running routes with Brossette and Morreau in to block. Bama rushed 4 and was in the backfield in less than 3 seconds. Brossette took the inside and blocked no one while Charles lost the DE on the edge and Lewis released the NT and blocked air. I'm not sure any scheme would have helped on that play.
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely no self awareness
I dont make personal attacks unless im responding in kind.
Link it.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I dont make personal attacks unless im responding in kind.
:rotflmao:Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:26 pm to bencoleman
“nobody on earth is going to stand by and let somebody criticize and take shots at them “
I don’t care if some anonymous fella is going to take shots at me. I figure that’s the price I have to be willing to pay when I expres my opinion on a sports forum. I can’t control what others do or how they wish to express themselves, but I can control how I conduct myself. Anyway, none of this stuff really matters. It’s just guys being guys.
I don’t care if some anonymous fella is going to take shots at me. I figure that’s the price I have to be willing to pay when I expres my opinion on a sports forum. I can’t control what others do or how they wish to express themselves, but I can control how I conduct myself. Anyway, none of this stuff really matters. It’s just guys being guys.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:26 pm to BayouCowboy
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Are you addressing the Bama game specifically because Burrow took far more snaps out of the gun than LSU did in 2017? If you are talking Bama game the conservative play calling ended the game before it started. I agree we needed to get Burrow out of the pocket or roll the pocket.
As for max protect vs spread I also think the spread would have been more effective, but I also saw a clip someone posted of one of the max protect plays with 3 WRs running routes with Brossette and Morreau in to block. Bama rushed 4 and was in the backfield in less than 3 seconds. Brossette took the inside and blocked no one while Charles lost the DE on the edge and Lewis released the NT and blocked air. I'm not sure any scheme would have helped on that play.
I think some RPOs or getting Burrow out of the pocket might help a little
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:28 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Bottom line. Steve Ensminger is the worst OC in the last decade.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:31 pm to BayouCowboy
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Are you addressing the Bama game specifically because Burrow took far more snaps out of the gun than LSU did in 2017?
And he was still under center too much for such a shaky line.
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As for max protect vs spread I also think the spread would have been more effective, but I also saw a clip someone posted of one of the max protect plays with 3 WRs running routes with Brossette and Morreau in to block. Bama rushed 4 and was in the backfield in less than 3 seconds.
Im not suggesting that our oline was good. Im saying our OC did nothing to help them. Also, when Southeastern is shutting down our offense, talent isnt the issue. Our scheme is tired and outdated. We should stop running these," nothing but deep routes" plays that help no one.
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I'm not sure any scheme would have helped on that play.
A scheme that lines up 4 wide and runs quick routes forcing the defense to cover sideline to sideline. Take that te out and put one of the 6'7 guys out there and run some quick outs.
Also, if our oline blocking is shite,its still on the offensive staff to gameplan around that. Teams do do it.
Our 2016 oline had 2 nfl draft picks on it and couldnt move the ball against Bama, Clemson has had 1 olineman drafted since 2014 and they move the ball all over bama.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I dont. Ive disagreed with lits of people on here and never got nasty. Your feeling just get hurt when your opinion is proven wrong.
Kind of like the other day when you said...." scheme is only important when you have less polished talent" and then you proceeded to bash lsu's talent. I pointed this out to you and you IMMEDIATELY started making personal attacks about my alma mater and my degree.
Kind of like the other day when you said...." scheme is only important when you have less polished talent" and then you proceeded to bash lsu's talent. I pointed this out to you and you IMMEDIATELY started making personal attacks about my alma mater and my degree.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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never got nasty
M god, the lack of self awareness is incredible
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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god, the lack of self awareness is incredible ?
Please link me to my unprovoked personal attacks towards a poster that hasnt already made a personal attack towards me.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Serious question. Do you and that Ben guy get some weird satisfaction by posting laughing emojis? Like it somehow validates the fact that you are making yourself look like a fool?
I notice that once people present you with facts, or debunk your outlandish theories, you either reply with an emoji, or by taking personal shots at somebody. It makes you seem very childish to attack a person you don't even know based on a difference of opinion about a particular subject.
I notice that once people present you with facts, or debunk your outlandish theories, you either reply with an emoji, or by taking personal shots at somebody. It makes you seem very childish to attack a person you don't even know based on a difference of opinion about a particular subject.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Im not suggesting that our oline was good. Im saying our OC did nothing to help them. Also, when Southeastern is shutting down our offense, talent isnt the issue. Our scheme is tired and outdated. We should stop running these," nothing but deep routes" plays that help no one.
We agree. I find it hard for anyone to defend the gameplan for Bama in 2016 and 2018. I also think there were issues with not simply the physical/talent aspect of our OL, but the mental side. We saw it early on in 2017 but Grimes was able to adjust and the OL improve as the season progressed. I can't say the same for Cregg and I was happy with his hire.
I think with both coaches having a second season in their jobs they will do better and we have more talent and experience offensively in 2019. That being said, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think we could be better with one of the modern offense OCs that have been on the market the last couple years.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:48 pm to BayouCowboy
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That being said, I'd be lying if I didn't think we could be better with one of the modern offense OCs that have been on the market the last couple years.
I just want more efficiency and consistency.
I'm thinking this year with so much more experience returning we have a real shot
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I just want more efficiency and consistency. I'm thinking this year with so much more experience returning we have a real shot
Well both Canada and SE struggled with red zone offense. If that one aspect improves it will make a huge difference.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm thinking this year with so much more experience returning we have a real shot
Do you think a bad group of offensive lineman (you blamed them for the offensive struggles right??) will be THAT much better with one years experience?
Obviously, I would expect some improvement from year to year. Depth will also be improved, but a lot will be depth with little, to no, experience. But will that improvement be enough to make a significant jump?
Let's be honest. The offense was down right terrible. Surely you aren't arguing otherwise, correct? The argument is the reasons why it was horrible.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:58 pm to BayouCowboy
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We agree. I find it hard for anyone to defend the gameplan for Bama in 2016 and 2018. I also think there were issues with not simply the physical/talent aspect of our OL, but the mental side. We saw it early on in 2017 but Grimes was able to adjust and the OL improve as the season progressed. I can't say the same for Cregg and I was happy with his hire.
I think with both coaches having a second season in their jobs they will do better and we have more talent and experience offensively in 2019. That being said, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think we could be better with one of the modern offense OCs that have been on the market the last couple years.
Agreed
I just dont think we will ever have enough blue chip olinemen to beat bama trying to run a traditional scheme. Bama has tremendous front 7 talent. We should do everything we can to go away from that talent. I was hoping we would actually run rpo heavy against them but instead we basically got a zone read offense. There was no P in our RPO.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 3:02 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Do you think a bad group of offensive lineman (you blamed them for the offensive struggles right??) will be THAT much better with one years experience?
No, RB shared in the offensive struggles
It's shaping up like 2013. The parallels are uncanny.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 3:02 pm to TrevRollings29
You must not remember cam Cameron ?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 3:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I just dont think we will ever have enough blue chip olinemen to beat bama trying to run a traditional scheme. Bama has tremendous front 7 talent. We should do everything we can to go away from that talent. I was hoping we would actually run rpo heavy against them but instead we basically got a zone read offense. There was no P in our RPO.
That's pretty spot on. The only way to beat Bama is to outscheme them.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 3:09 pm to BayouCowboy
You need talent and scheme.
Which is why I find it concerning when E says stuff like “we didn’t have enough FBs and TE to run our Redzone offense”
Like we had a FB.
We were kinda thin at TE (was Washington hurt?)
But realistically if you wanna run throw a tackle out there, if you wanna throw throw a WR out there
TE depth should grind your Redzone offense to a complete halt
Which is why I find it concerning when E says stuff like “we didn’t have enough FBs and TE to run our Redzone offense”
Like we had a FB.
We were kinda thin at TE (was Washington hurt?)
But realistically if you wanna run throw a tackle out there, if you wanna throw throw a WR out there
TE depth should grind your Redzone offense to a complete halt
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 3:12 pm
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