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re: Wide-ranging, eye-opening interview with Brandon Harris
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:54 am to BilJ
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:54 am to BilJ
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Even heard rumors they tried turning stuff into rap lyrics to help him out
wtf?
Could you imagine?
That could be a thread in itself.
"Pop that pussy"- go route to Chark
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:17 pm to lsu711
He sounded like a butt hurt little bitch in that interview to me.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:18 pm to TigerCLT
BH's footwork was a joke. Most underrated aspect of playing QB. His reminded me of the "can't miss" Evangel QB's of the '90's and it never improved.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:31 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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#1 ranked oline in cfb
3rd ranked oline in cfb
9th ranked oline in cfb
If you read PFF's methodology, you would understand a couple of things. First, there methodology is a useful tool, but using it to "rank" lines is stupid. Using it to evaluate a single unit is more defensible. The adjustments used ALL benefit LSU's style of play under Miles. You are given a boost when you call a shitty play in response to the alignment of the defense (See, e.g., " On run plays, the key statistic is yards before contact, where the expected gain before contact is set based on factors like the number of defensive players in the box, the run concept called by the offense and the down-and-distance situation.") Their adjustments actually reward teams that are stubborn in terms of gameplan. That skews the rankings. For instance, Clemson may absolutely maul people in the run game, but because they don't face many bad D&Ds and 8-9 man fronts, their statistics look less impressive.
TL;DR version, PFF's metric isn't the end all be all of line play analysis. They still have some pretty rough spots in their metric that they haven't figured out how to weight.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:32 pm to Ltown_tiger
That's funny, because I had the opposite thought. Before reading the interview I thought maybe he didn't have it between the ears and that he was selfish for leaving.
Now, I think he's a very intelligent thoughtful young man who spoke of life lessons and wanting to go where he's a better fit, with respect for LSU.
I didn't detect any bitterness, just his disappointment that it didn't work out.
Now, I think he's a very intelligent thoughtful young man who spoke of life lessons and wanting to go where he's a better fit, with respect for LSU.
I didn't detect any bitterness, just his disappointment that it didn't work out.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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There is a gigantic difference in taking a jet sweep as a motion WR where you literally run around the OL and a toss sweep as a RB where you're still OL dependent on how they block for you in the direction you're going
You still don't just say the oline has nothing to do with it.
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If they played well we would have scored more than 10 point
Holy shite. It's not on the oline that Guice runs the wrong way. It's not on the oline that our special teams cant kick fgs. The simple fact that you think our oline was responsible for us not scoring more tells me all i need to know.
We ran for 219. I dont care that you try to cherry picked bullshite
We had the most 1st downs of any team they played.
We gave the least amount of sacks of any team UF played.
I do like that little link you posted though. Wanna guess which team was 3rd in the country in ypc?
That's while playing in the most talent rich division in cfb.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:38 pm to Damseyrarrar
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His reminded me of the "can't miss" Evangel QB's of the '90's and it never improved
So true!!!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:40 pm to therick711
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;DR version, PFF's metric isn't the end all be all of line play analysis
Never said it was. There are numerous other things that paint lsu's oline as very good.
We had the most oline make all sec teams.
We had he 3rd highest ypc in the country.
We had the 3rd lowest sacks/game in the sec.
While our line had some weaknesses,in no way was it bad. There isnt a single metric that paints our line as anything but being a great oline and one of the best in cfb. Not a single one. I'm sorry of i take the facts that say our oline is great over the opinions of people watching a tv broadcast( im not saying you're doing that)
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:44 pm to thunderbird1100
Very True.
Note: Recruit Offensive Tackles please.
Note: Recruit Offensive Tackles please.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:52 pm to BilJ
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He needs to take ownership of a few things though.
I feel like he did by saying he wasn't suited to run the offense he knew was present when he signed at LSU.
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make a half way decent throw to a wide open Fournette out of the backfield. Is that Les and Cam's fault you were completely incapable of making basic throws?
It is when they told QB's to throw to their first option every single year. Everyone rushes to Mett, but Mett had two Pro-Bowl NFL WR's on that team. He also locked in on them and very rarely ever threw to any other players. It's what killed us in the losses. Those D could slow down #1 and #2 when they realized there wasn't a #3 option in the playbook.
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complete inability to even get a basic understanding of the offense.
I'm not sure anyone understood Les Miles offense. A 2nd gader could gameplan against it, but understanding the plays Miles called isn't possible IMO.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:57 pm to thunderbird1100
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Of course you would disagree because you think because a site says our OL is the best they played the best in every game.
At no point did i say that.
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Anyone who watched the Bama or UF games last year knows they didn't play well in those games.
Only a football ignorant poster would say rushing for 219, giving up 1 sack,and having more 1st downs than any team florida played all year means our oline didnt play well.
Youre trying to cherry picked and remove yards to help your stance. Thats a bullshite move.
The simple fact that you equate low scores to the oline tells me all i need to know about your agenda.
Florida was 3rd in the sec in opponents rushing yards per attempt.
I readily admit our line didnt look as good against UF as some of the other games but in no way was the UF a bad game for the oline.
UF was 3rd in the country in opponents offensive yards per game giving up 298 yards per game
LSU HAS 423 YARDS
6.0 YPP
Florida was 6th in the country in opponents 1st downs per game with 15.
LSU HAD 23 1ST DOWNS
MOST BY ANY TEAM FLORIDA PLAYED
LSU gave up 1 sack. The least amount UF had all year.
So please continue to take away certain plays to tell us how our oline didnt play well against UF.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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We had the most oline make all sec teams.
In what time period? People voting on oline play is notoriously unreliable in terms of analysis. None of those folks knows a given player's assignment, and none of them watch every snap of every SEC team's season. Beyond that, those teams are relative. For instance, if the SEC's line play is down or young, making a team would not be as impressive as if the conference was loaded. These teams are largely a function of visibility and hype (even when our guys make them).
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We had he 3rd highest ypc in the country.
That's great. We also have the best running backs in the country. Since we can't pass, we have stacked lines that allow us to bust big runs when we break free. There are many things that contribute to high ypcs. I don't think it is that informative of the quality of line play. By that measure, the two best lines in the country belong to New Mexico and South Florida.
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We had the 3rd lowest sacks/game in the sec.
LSU was 116th in the country in attempts. 13 out of 14 in the conference. In terms of attempts per sack LSU ranked 7th in the conference, behind Mizzou, State, A&M, OM, and Bama. Not really all that impressive.
32 Missouri
22.8 State
22.3 A&M
18.6 OM
17.4 Bama
16.1 UGA
15.7 LSU
15.2 Auburn
15.2 UT
14.6 UF
12.3 Vandy
11.6 Arkansas
11.1 Kentucky
9.8 USC
You can cherry pick whatever you want, the fact of the matter is your grand pronouncements about how good you believe our offensive line is are just that. Quantifying line play remains as difficult today as it ever was. PFF can say whatever they want, but they are only as good as their metric and their ability to process that volume of data.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:02 pm to Mr. Wayne
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It is when they told QB's to throw to their first option every single year
You have no idea if this is true. Why do posters on here just make statements that cant be proven by watching TV broadcast and can't be proven without knowing where the 1st reads are? They do it just to shite on coaches/players.
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'm not sure anyone understood Les Miles offense. A 2nd gader could gameplan against it, but understanding the plays Miles called isn't possible IMO.
You do realize that spreads offenses run a far less variety of plays than Miles offense,right?
It's common knowledge that Chip kelly ran the same exact play 50 % of the time at orgeron. His entire playbook consists of 4 running plays.
Cfb is about execution.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:02 pm to therick711
Stop engaging with him. Apparently his day job is to not let it go.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:05 pm to sicboy
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Stop engaging with him. Apparently his day job is to not let it go.
I could be like you and just post dumb shite that everyone knows is wrong and is backed up by nothing but opinion. Sorry youre football ignorant.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:07 pm to therick711
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You can cherry pick whatever you want, the fact of the matter is your grand pronouncements about how good you believe our offensive line is are just that. Quantifying line play remains as difficult today as it ever was. PFF can say whatever they want, but they are only as good as their metric and their ability to process that volume of data.
I agree it's hard to measure line play.
There is no metric that paints our line as anything but good. Literally the only people that say our line is anything but good are lsu fans using a tv broadcast.
Yes our line could play better at times but that's true of every line on the planet. Its telling that the only people that dont think our line is ONE OF the best lines in cfb is lsu fans.
Who exactly should I go with?
Anonymous posters on a message board using tv broadcasts?
Multiple publications that are paid to evaluate oline play that have access to all 22 film?
Come on. I'm not saying those rankings are iron clad,but they sure the hell outweigh rant posters.
ETA: I wasnt trying to be an arse. Youre a good poster and actually look things up before posting and your posts are backed up by facts.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its telling that the only people that dont think our line is ONE OF the best lines in cfb is lsu fans.
No it isn't. The average fan knows nothing of how to evaluate line play. Of those that do know enough, the fans of other teams don't give a shite about LSU's line to watch them play beyond when their team happens to play LSU. It's exactly what you would think. The only people who care enough to have an opinion on the matter are LSU fans because Auburn fans aren't going to go chart how many times Toby Weathersby fricks up and gets someone killed.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:19 pm to therick711
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o it isn't. The average fan knows nothing of how to evaluate line play. Of those that do know enough, the fans of other teams don't give a shite about LSU's line to watch them play beyond when their team happens to play LSU. It's exactly what you would think. The only people who care enough to have an opinion on the matter are LSU fans because Auburn fans aren't going to go chart how many times Toby Weathersby fricks up and gets someone killed.
Thats somewhat my point. If these lsu posters think lsu's line is bad,it lets me know that they don't follow other sec programs and watch their games with the same eye for detail as they do with lsu. Lsu was clearly 1 of the 3 best lines in the sec and you have lsu fans that think we sucked. I agree we couldn't played better at 5he tackles but in no way was our oline bad.
But it kind of is telling. Have you heard any analyst or any broadcaster say anything but great things about our line? Except against bama? You hear on every broadcast,every in depth show and every site that ranks olines and all they say is lsu has one of the best in cfb. Then you come here and see tons of lsu fans actually posting that our line isnt good.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:21 pm to TigerCLT
Harris is absolutely 100% correct about Orgeron not giving him the chance to get back on the field. I couldn't understand it myself why he wouldn't send him in when he had opportunities to do it like when they were blowing out A&M. And especially against Alabama when Etling looked scared to death and couldn't do anything right, well, I know now that I wasn't imagining that something was amiss.
So, it seems he really didn't wanna leave, but was mostly forced out. He wanted a shot in the new system and he should have got one.
So, it seems he really didn't wanna leave, but was mostly forced out. He wanted a shot in the new system and he should have got one.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:28 pm to tubucoco
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He wanted a shot in the new system and he should have got one
So stay and compete in the spring.
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