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Posted on 4/5/11 at 6:48 am to Bayou
I think it is more likely JJ gets hurt with his running style and the amount of hits he will take.
JL will then get his chance, but I believe he will be on a short leash because now we have real options at the QB position and a COACH who can actually evaluate a position and advise the Head Coach on who to start/sit/play
JL will then get his chance, but I believe he will be on a short leash because now we have real options at the QB position and a COACH who can actually evaluate a position and advise the Head Coach on who to start/sit/play
Posted on 4/5/11 at 7:21 am to TruLsu
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I find it interesting people think JJ can change, but not J. Lee. Both have a long way to go
The thing is, the problem with Lee isn't talent. It's his mental state. I'm seriously hoping Kragthorpe can come in and raise his confidence in himself. Right now, Jefferson is more confident and he can improve talent-wise. Lee has all the talent, but his confidence isn't there. How do you raise a QB's confidence whose mental state was damaged as a freshman playing in an offensive system designed for a 5th year senior QB?
I really feel bad for Lee, under a competent offensive coordinator, he would have been a great QB. But unless he gains confidence in himself, Jefferson will be the starter.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 7:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I find it interesting people think JJ can change, but not J. Lee.
It has more to do with the fact that JL and JJ have been in the same system/getting the same coaching for 2+ years now and he has yet to unseat JJ than any thinking that he can't change...at least in my mind.
Anything/anybody can change, but after 2+ seasons is it really that unreasonable to think it will not?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:03 am to therocketscientist
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) JJ has never had any issues in practice when wearing the green protective jersey.
Did you not watch the spring game last year? He was horrible. Outplayed in every way. He even stood on the sidelines pouty ad shite then. Lee did well and was all over the sideline pumping everyone.
Jj still started all games.....
He will this year. Get used to it. If you think its an open slate you are insane
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:43 am to Bojangles
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One was a fade the other was an underthrown ball into triple coverage, at least be somewhat honest.
You are definitely underselling how bad that Lee play was.
He threw a fade to a 5'11 RB who was being covered by a DB.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:49 am to OBUDan
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He threw a fade to a 5'11 RB who was being covered by a DB.
you talking the pass into the end zone vs. UT that got picked? because actually Ridley had a LB on him. too much air under that one though.
MUCH worse was that damn pass he threw to no one that took 20 yrs to land. still tryna figure out how UT didn't pick that. or the fade he tried to Shep that almost got picked.
but I ain't here to bury ol' Jarrett. I'd still have liked to see him as the starter last yr with JJ as the short yardage/ goal line/ runner.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unlike some of you, I am not a player hater. I can get behind anyone who is successful. Unlike yourself, I have the ability to be objective here and believe if one has a chance for redemption, the other does as well.
You draw these broad conclusions about things.
I'm not "player hating" on Jarrett Lee. I'm making a direct comparison between two players, neither of which is very good, yet the evidence overwhelmingly suggests one is better than the other.
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Unlike yourself, I don't pick and choose what constitutes good and what doesn't. Both need a lot of work and I am not sold on either. Hence we were excited about the possibility of Mettenberger.
Once again, this is just some sweeping accusation you are making. At what point in this thread did I ever "pick and choose" what constituted "good." If anything, all the people supporting Lee are doing that (they highlight his "clutch" plays vs. Tennessee and Florida yet fail to acknowledge that JJ may have done any good in that game).
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I just find it odd you have no hope for one of these guys and not the other.
I don't have much hope for either. Neither are very good players. Both should be improved per the typical arc of a non superstar player's career (at every position players tend to rally their senior season and have the best year for various obvious reasons).
The problem is, much like the OP, is this unmerited celebration of the oppressed Jarrett Lee and how he's really the guy we need.
You yourself acknowledged that you lacked confidence in Miles and say "he proved you wrong" yet, one of his major decisions over the past two years has been to start Jefferson over Lee and you continue to espouse the idea that Lee is the better option... doesn't sound like you really changed your stance at all...
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:52 am to ATLTiger
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you talking the pass into the end zone vs. UT that got picked? because actually Ridley had a LB on him. too much air under that one though.
i thought it was a safety, my mistake.
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MUCH worse was that damn pass he threw to no one that took 20 yrs to land. still tryna figure out how UT didn't pick that. or the fade he tried to Shep that almost got picked.
right, and you could go through every game he played last season, sans Florida, and count up throws like that that he was fortunate the only consequence was an incompletion. but since he only has a "1 INT" next to his name, people misremember that he had some sort of fantastic season, it seems.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:55 am to Chimlim
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The thing is, the problem with Lee isn't talent. It's his mental state. I'm seriously hoping Kragthorpe can come in and raise his confidence in himself. Right now, Jefferson is more confident and he can improve talent-wise. Lee has all the talent, but his confidence isn't there. How do you raise a QB's confidence whose mental state was damaged as a freshman playing in an offensive system designed for a 5th year senior QB?
I agree, somewhat. But he also does the same things he's done since he was in HS... so he either a) wasn't coached up at all by Crowton (likely) or b) didn't take to the coaching (probably to some extent) or c) a little of both (probably the right answer).
i challenge anyone to find his hs tape and show me how he's any different as a player, at all. shuffles his feet and frequently throws off balance. trusts his arm to make throws that he can't (he has an above average arm; he's not brett favre).
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:23 am to Navytiger74
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The most likely scenario is that JJ will start unless and until he shits the bed.
Like last year? I think he Shatted himself for 7 games and Lee was only allowed to save us twice.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:38 am to OBUDan
quote:Disagree.... both are below average QB's... one just can run better....
overwhelmingly suggests one is better than the other.
Personally I've stated this numerous times... BOTH have Mental blocks only both are different QB's.
Last year you saw improvement in both of them, Lee started to throw the ball away when he felt pressure instead of throwing it into traffic. Jefferson started to run downfield instead of backwards or laterally thus reducing his sacks.
Both still make poor decisions when it comes to throwing the ball. Neither QB will be as good as even Mauck and Mauck was not a great QB at LSU despite his National Title.
If LSU defense/special teams/running game improve LSU will not need a great QB in the Russell mold. LSU will need someone just a bit above average you doesn't cost LSU games. While both Jefferson and Lee are below average QB's, Jefferson is a safer risk because he tends to play within his limitations most of the time. The coaching staff feels better with him, but if LSU were to get in a shoot out with a team I would want Lee in the game as he can complete passes in tighter spaces imo.
LSU will win with Jefferson and should win 10 games easy next season. I've called 11 since before last season for this season. LSU is primed with the talent and leadership. I hope Krag has worked enough with Jefferson that he improves more so than last year (yes I think he improved from 09 to 10, even his numbers are worse) and he can become an average/above average QB for LSU. However, I have same hope that Lee can do the same and if he gets chance he performs well.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:44 am to tduecen
Well I never said either was anything other than below average. Just that one is better than the other.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:46 am to OBUDan
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right, and you could go through every game he played last season, sans Florida, and count up throws like that that he was fortunate the only consequence was an incompletion. but since he only has a "1 INT" next to his name, people misremember that he had some sort of fantastic season, it seems.
This is what I don't get. Lee had some good moments last year and then when it seemed like he was going to push Jeffereson, he failed miserably. He can't handle pressure and makes horrible decisions when he sees any sort of a pass rush. After Florida I thought he was going to push JJ. Then he got worse and worse as the season went on. I just don't see him taking the reigns. The coaches know what happens to him when you take the green jersey off.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:50 am to Mr. Wayne
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After Florida I thought he was going to push JJ.
Same here.
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Then he got worse and worse as the season went on.
Yes he did.
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I just don't see him taking the reigns. The coaches know what happens to him when you take the green jersey off.
Totally agree. But if he gets the nod, I hope he does well and I'll support him.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:54 am to OBUDan
But you did say "overwhelmingly" suggest one is better than other....
That is what I disagree with, one is not "overwhelmingly" better. One just offers another alternative with his legs. As quarterbacks both are below average and Jefferson is an average runner as well. I think Flynn made better decisions with his legs and Herb Tyler being the best with that.
Unless being able to run makes one "overwhelmingly" better in your opinion.
That is what I disagree with, one is not "overwhelmingly" better. One just offers another alternative with his legs. As quarterbacks both are below average and Jefferson is an average runner as well. I think Flynn made better decisions with his legs and Herb Tyler being the best with that.
Unless being able to run makes one "overwhelmingly" better in your opinion.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 11:59 am to Mr. Wayne
quote:I've asked this a ton recently... How hurt was he after Auburn? You see prior to Auburn from the Tennessee game to Auburn game he was splitting time basically 50/50 with Jefferson. He hurts his hand against Auburn then you see him less and less.
This is what I don't get. Lee had some good moments last year and then when it seemed like he was going to push Jeffereson, he failed miserably
I mean Les had enough faith in Lee to play him in crucial late game situations vs both Tennessee and Florida then Auburn hurt and against Alabama Lee throws 7 passes to Jefferson 13. Jefferson was looking good early and LSU had momentum so I had no problem with Lee not playing, he did look erratic early and I attributed to his hand bothering him.
The following week against ULM neither Jefferson or Lee looked good, Jefferson was 4/10 51 Yards and Lee 4/12 44 Yards.
Then after that Lee threw a combined 6 passes against Ole Miss and Arkansas. I think there was an injury we were not aware of and it progressed as season went on.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 12:03 pm to tduecen
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Unless being able to run makes one "overwhelmingly" better in your opinion.
What I intended was that the evidence was overwhelming that one is better than the other, not that he is "overwhelmingly better."
Posted on 4/5/11 at 12:20 pm to TruLsu
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This is what it mostly is. There are some idiots out there that just want Lee in bc he is white.
Wrong. Many prefer him because JJ wasn't moving the ball consistantly and costing us drives. Lee having proved himself twice to move the ball in crucial must keep the chains moving situations wasn't even given a chance to help us. I for one, wanted JR tossing the ball for us over Flynn. I didn't care if he was black or polka dotted. He was the better performer that year. This race BS is stupid. People watching a QB struggle and not get relieved get labeled racist for wanting another guy who happens to be another "color"...alas I must digress as I'm becoming angry...
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