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re: Why you are wrong to count out Jarrett Lee
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a large number, but its not a small number by any means.
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:50 pm to TheDoc
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Move to BR
Come to a game in tiger stadium?
So anecdotal evidence is all you have. Gotcha.
It had nothing to do with the play on the field, huh chief?
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:50 pm to OBUDan
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Honestly, besides being white, having a quick release and being a decently touted recruit... the answer is nothing.
Well, the one thing you can say about JL's 2008 performance was that he produced a lot of yards.
Just playin' devil's advocate here.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:51 pm to TruLsu
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I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a large number, but its not a small number by any means.
He needed to walk around campus after the Tennessee game
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:52 pm to TheDoc
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He needed to walk around campus after the Tennessee game
I can only imagine.Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So anecdotal evidence is all you have. Gotcha.
It had nothing to do with the play on the field, huh chief?
Yeah you're right. I've never heard any racist remarks about JJ
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:54 pm to TheDoc
First of all, the fans have turned on both JL and JJ at some point.
Secondly, there might be something to TheDoc's social identification psychological theory, and race is certainly tied up in it, but it would be difficult to isolate that aspect.
And certainly, JJ's play on the field didn't help his cause at all.
So all of you are right.
Secondly, there might be something to TheDoc's social identification psychological theory, and race is certainly tied up in it, but it would be difficult to isolate that aspect.
And certainly, JJ's play on the field didn't help his cause at all.
So all of you are right.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:56 pm to TheDoc
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he is the great white hope.
keep this crap out of the conversation, this hasn't really been an issue in this case.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 5:59 pm to ForeLSU
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keep this crap out of the conversation, this hasn't really been an issue in this case.
You're right. Racism doesn't exist.
Silly me.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:00 pm to TxTiger82
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Well, the one thing you can say about JL's 2008 performance was that he produced a lot of yards.
One way to look at it
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:01 pm to ForeLSU
My refined theory of TheDoc's QB identification theory would go like this:
1) So long as one QB succeeds, leads team to victory, and looks good doing, the fans will generally not care. The fans want wins above all.
1a) Even still, there will be a small-subset who will never be satisfied with the QB's play because they don't realize that this isn't the NFL and these guys are kids (see Jamarcus critics).
2) If both QBs suck, opinions will divide on who should be starting.
2a) This is when social identification kicks in.
3) Race is one factor, true, but social identification really refers to location-based and cultural identification. For example, those who love New Orleans and NOLA high school football might want JJ. Those who live in the country and identify with risk-taking good-ole boys might favor Lee.
1) So long as one QB succeeds, leads team to victory, and looks good doing, the fans will generally not care. The fans want wins above all.
1a) Even still, there will be a small-subset who will never be satisfied with the QB's play because they don't realize that this isn't the NFL and these guys are kids (see Jamarcus critics).
2) If both QBs suck, opinions will divide on who should be starting.
2a) This is when social identification kicks in.
3) Race is one factor, true, but social identification really refers to location-based and cultural identification. For example, those who love New Orleans and NOLA high school football might want JJ. Those who live in the country and identify with risk-taking good-ole boys might favor Lee.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:03 pm to TheDoc
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Yeah you're right. I've never heard any racist remarks about JJ
Yep, I have. DO you know there are black guys on this forum who bash Lee? Are they racist? Couple of them have JJ in their avy.
Were "we" racist in '08 when we were screaming for JJ and not Lee? Has JJ faced the level of hatred Lee faced in '08?
You people make me sick. You can't have a rational discussion so you resort to race. There will always be a few white and black folks who make race an issue but it is far far from the majoirity.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:06 pm to TheDoc
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You're right. Racism doesn't exist.
Silly me.
some old comeback...
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Well this conversation smells of the summer of 09....
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And here it goes. The low IQ idiots resort to the racial question. Way to go chief!
Lulz.
Yeah, I'm just defaulting to the racial issue.
It's the same thing with people who STILL think Flynn is better than JR. There's really no explicable reason other than race.
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Not much really. The guy ahead of him is pretty bad though, and it is just wishful thinking for the most part. It's more wanting the incumbent out than Lee in.
Ahh, see now we are actually getting somewhere.
So really, there's no reason whatsoever (which was exactly my point).
Look, we can look at both guys objectively (I know you will continue to treat me like I'm some big JJ homer, and I have defended him in the past, that I'm not denying).
People generally like Lee because he does/says the "right" things (he "looks" like a leader because he fist pumps and can carry himself in an interview). They dislike JJ because he's much more soft spoken and doesn't exert the same positive emotions.
Regardless:
-Jefferson is still a more accurate passer over the course of his career.
-Jefferson's YPA is still higher than Lee's even last season, though he took nearly 3x as many pass attempts. Even in his miserable year last season, his YPA was STILL higher than Lee.
-Outside of Tennessee last year (where Lee was solid, but not great [RZ pick]) and Florida (Lee's best game of his career), Lee has been somewhere between mediocre and pathetic.
I get just "hoping" someone could be better than Jefferson (due to his repeated lackluster performances), but why are we hoping that person is Lee, who has repeatedly proven he can't be the guy?
I am of the belief that if Lee were the better option, he would have been the starter last season. Miles has no reason to be invested in Jefferson (like he would with say, Ryan Perrilloux). He has MANY reasons to be invested in having a winning team (namely his reputation and job security). Why would he knowingly just let the best QB ride the bench? Because to me, saying Lee should have been the starter, is acknowledging that you think Miles either a) doesn't know what he's doing or b) knowingly is playing the worst option.
To me, that is statement enough that Lee isn't the answer.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:33 pm to Bojangles
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I know you despise this FACT but without Jlee we lose to Fla and tenn. Deal with it bro.
There's really no fact to that. That's your opinion.
You could actually say we lose those games without JJ, too. JJ did score a huge TD against Tennessee.
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Once again wtf does jj do that gives LSU a "better" chance to win?
Again, you trying to get me to answer what is not the real question.
This entire thread is devoted to the idea that Lee is the answer to all the problems. So why? Why is Jarrett Lee the real answer? You don't seem to have an answer other than saying "Tennessee and Florida! Tennessee and Florida!" which isn't actually an answer.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:34 pm to therocketscientist
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Why you are wrong to count out Jarrett Lee
It doesnt matter what anyone thinks. Les Miles will start Jordan Jefferson. period. no matter what
Personally, I agree with you
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:37 pm to TxTiger82
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The fans want wins above all.
Have you read this board?
If they wanted wins above all, they'd all love JJ, as he's on his way to being the winningest QB in LSU history.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:48 pm to TheDoc
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You're right. Racism doesn't exist.
Silly me.
Of course it does
But in the middle of the season when JJ was playing poorly I don't think it was unreasonable for people to want JL get more opportunities. Particularly given how well he played against Tenn and UF
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:50 pm to Powerman
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But in the middle of the season when JJ was playing poorly I don't think it was unreasonable for people to want JL get more opportunities. Particularly given how well he played against Tenn and UF
I agree.
But why now?
I mean, from where are people drawing the idea that Lee should be the starter of the 2011 team?
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