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re: Why the frick does O need to be canned today?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:22 pm to OKtiger
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:22 pm to OKtiger
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Stop being whiny little bitches on the forum and just realize whether, or not, O is fired today, or in December, it’s happening. There’s no stopping a 5-7 season at this point no matter who the interim coach is. We’ll most likely lose a recruit or two as well.
They can’t ... that’s what they are and will always be.
I agree he’s gone after seasons end bc we’ll be lucky to win. 2 more games
I hope he stays till then... for no other reason than to watch these kids melt
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Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:28 pm to Goldrush25
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By November no kid that is still committed gives two fricks whether O is here or not. How can a lame duck coach keep a recruiting class together? In fact I wouldn't put it past O to sandbag our class since he knows he's done.
This. There is nothing overly-emotional about wanting to move toward the future in a way that limits the damage done to a minimum.
If we were so dishonest to incoming recruits as to sell them on O staying past this season (which is too stupid to be believed) only to turn and fire him after the A&M game, do you think they or their families will believe anything else they hear from anyone here?
Make the break now, be honest with them and make your hire with enough time to either get most of them to sign in the early period, or get them to delay to the late period so the new staff can properly recruit them. That’s the best you can do.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:29 pm to OKtiger
Bless your heart. This is really going to be tough for you.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:54 pm to lsutiger2010
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You think the recruiting class staying together matters whether O is fired tomorrow or in 2 months. That's an idiotic take.
Well genius, CEO put together the 2016 recruiting class and kept everyone on board on signing day. It’s what O does best, and if you run him off now, you are paying him to do nothing instead of recruiting. The idiotic take is to pay your best recruiter $21M and then fire him to not recruit.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:57 pm to CajunTiger_225
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Only idiots keep repeating this response. They're already doing that. They don't have to fire him to do that. Why is that a difficult concept
And you keep on repeating this as if saying it over and over will somehow make it true. If O is out of the way, it makes the business of moving on easier in every way.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:59 pm to jrodLSUke
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Well genius, CEO put together the 2016 recruiting class and kept everyone on board on signing day. It’s what O does best, and if you run him off now, you are paying him to do nothing instead of recruiting. The idiotic take is to pay your best recruiter $21M and then fire him to not recruit.
No lame duck coach can recruit effectively. What about that is so hard to understand? He’s going to do more harm than good the longer that he’s around the program.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:00 pm to TigerBR1111
Kentucky is very good all around. I'm not seeing why we should beat them.
1st team qb out
1st team rb is ineligible
OL injured early in season
Now the defense...thats different.
We fired a better coach, plain and simple. The dl is atrocious and was supposed to be a strong point. That means horrible DC
1st team qb out
1st team rb is ineligible
OL injured early in season
Now the defense...thats different.
We fired a better coach, plain and simple. The dl is atrocious and was supposed to be a strong point. That means horrible DC
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:09 pm to misey94
No. 8 class in the country, just ahead of aTm and just behind UGA. But don't let your little pea brain get confused by facts. Go ahead with you plan to fire LSU's best recruiter before it's necessary and expect the recruiting to somehow improve.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:11 pm to misey94
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No lame duck coach can recruit effectively.
Orgeron can't recruit effectively right now, but no interim coach can recruit effectively either.
There's simply nothing that can be done right now that will salvage this class. The recruits that end up signing are either coming because LSU is truly where they want to play and the coach doesn't matter to them, or they'll sign with LSU because of the new coach.
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He’s going to do more harm than good the longer that he’s around the program.
You don't think Woodward has his finger on the pulse of the program right now? From my perspective he seems acutely aware of what's going on.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:20 pm to jrodLSUke
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No. 8 class in the country, just ahead of aTm and just behind UGA. But don't let your little pea brain get confused by facts. Go ahead with you plan to fire LSU's best recruiter before it's necessary and expect the recruiting to somehow improve.
Context- it’s important in all things. When was our last commit? I’ll give you a hint- it’s been a while. Where was our rank this summer before things started going south? If you think that current ranking has anything to do with O this season then you are on crack.
Recruiting is going to suffer no matter what. The only thing we can do is minimize the damage. Do you really fricking think O hanging around with no hope of surviving the season is going to keep guys who are having second thoughts from leaving? If so, then you must want to just keep him for next season and you’re just saying this for cover, because everything you are saying is nonsense.
The truth is, the rumors and constant negative press over him will be more of a problem in recruiting than just cutting ties and putting an end to it. Instead of two weeks to try and limit the fallout between the last game and early signing day, we will have time to figure out who is solid, who can be talked into staying, and who is beyond hope.
That at least sets the table for a new staff to come in and do something positive. They will only have a week and a half at most before early signing day. Waiting until the A&M game to make a move will just tie one arm behind their backs.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:27 pm to OKtiger
Early signing day. We better get his arse way gone and a real damn good idea who his replacement is prior to the 15th
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:27 pm to misey94
Genius take: pay LSU's recruiting coordinator $21M to go home and sever all communications with recruits, just so you can open the Coaching Changes Board. I know it's hard for you to understand long-term strategies, but LSU can pay Orgeron to continue recruiting, AND have Woody communicating with agents for our next coach. How you cannot grasp that concept is pathetic.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:30 pm to whitefoot
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There's simply nothing that can be done right now that will salvage this class. The recruits that end up signing are either coming because LSU is truly where they want to play and the coach doesn't matter to them, or they'll sign with LSU because of the new coach.
Ending the negative press bonanza that is coming and keeping O away from recruits as a lame duck are better than the alternative. I haven’t heard a single argument from anyone today that refutes this.
Again, a new staff will likely have a week and a half to do what they can, at best. With O out of the way, at least we can find out ahead of that who is solid, who isn’t but is willing to talk to the new staff, and who we have no shot with. There may also be a few who are willing to defer to the late period to get to know the new staff.
Knowing where everyone stands before the new staff is in place so that the limited time they will have can be put to its best use is all we can get right now. That and the portal are how you the most you can from this class.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:31 pm to jrodLSUke
So we want the guy that picked the players that can’t compete physically w Kentucky to pick another years worth of players.
We want the guy that is not trustworthy to go out and represent LSU as a lame duck. Yeah. That sounds fricking brilliant.
We want the guy that is not trustworthy to go out and represent LSU as a lame duck. Yeah. That sounds fricking brilliant.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:38 pm to jrodLSUke
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Genius take: pay LSU's recruiting coordinator $21M to go home and sever all communications with recruits, just so you can open the Coaching Changes Board. I know it's hard for you to understand long-term strategies, but LSU can pay Orgeron to continue recruiting, AND have Woody communicating with agents for our next coach. How you cannot grasp that concept is pathetic.
Why in the frick would any kid or parent who knows O is a dead man walking listen to a word he has to say now? Do you really think they are all that stupid? It’s laughable.
He will no longer be effective as a recruiter after the last two losses. That was his shot to make it to the end of the season, but all hope for him is over now. You need to let go, because he will not be here come Thanksgiving like you are hoping and praying for.
As for cutting off communication, what are you talking about. Austin Thomas will still be here, likely reporting to Woodward as much as anyone else. Raymond and Brad Davis will have legit shots to be retained, depending on who is hired. If Edwards is the choice as interim, I think he will do all he can to look good and to get a great recommendation for future jobs. The rest of the staff may mail it in, but there will be enough guys invested in their futures here to do less damage than O fricking would hanging around.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:42 pm to OKtiger
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Stop being whiny little bitches on the forum and just realize whether, or not, O is fired today, or in December, it’s happening. There’s no stopping a 5-7 season at this point no matter who the interim coach is. We’ll most likely lose a recruit or two as well.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:30 pm to misey94
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Knowing where everyone stands before the new staff is in place
Come on, man. You can't honestly believe Woodward's going to just be in the dark about what's going on in recruiting. Maybe he's not communicating with Orgeron, but I guarantee you Austin Thomas is keeping him informed about recruiting and I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas and his staff are reporting to Woodward directly right now.
I'm sure Woodward is already well aware of which recruits are solid (it's a small list) and which recruits are looking around (it's a much longer list).
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:33 pm to OKtiger
when words like “damaging the brand” are being used about the HC its time to go
Posted on 10/10/21 at 10:35 pm to misey94
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Why in the frick would any kid or parent who knows O is a dead man walking listen to a word he has to say now?
They wouldn't
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It’s laughable.
It is. The notion that Orgeron just be responsible for recruiting is one of the dumber things I've read on here today.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 11:33 pm to whitefoot
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Come on, man. You can't honestly believe Woodward's going to just be in the dark about what's going on in recruiting. Maybe he's not communicating with Orgeron, but I guarantee you Austin Thomas is keeping him informed about recruiting and I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas and his staff are reporting to Woodward directly right now. I'm sure Woodward is already well aware of which recruits are solid (it's a small list) and which recruits are looking around (it's a much longer list).
Are you serious with this? I really hope you aren’t insinuating that Thomas or others are communicating with recruits about what is going on inside the program and what’s coming for O. That would be a fire-arable offense if it leaked out, which would absolutely happen. There is no way anyone associated with LSU is doing that with recruits right now.
Sure, recruits and their families see what’s going on and hear what’s being said, and they may have responses to that right now. But that said, whatever Thomas or others may have been told so far or know today isn’t worth dogshit the day O’s firing is announced. THAT is my point. Finality changes things.
Recruiting is fluid enough without coaching changes. Remember when one of our most solid guys went from recruiting for us to out the door basically overnight last year? That’s going to be a lot of guys this year. You might be able to count on a couple like Bordelon and Howard who are legacies, but some current commits who everyone thinks are still solid today will bail. Some who may be on the fence will be willing to listen. Some may be willing to wait until the late signing date. But none of this will start to get cleared up until O is actually gone.
That’s why moving O on soon and getting a realistic read on the situation after he’s gone is so important. Whatever the staff knows right now is just not that relevant to after, no matter what the kids and their families are saying today.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 11:36 pm
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