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re: Why is there so much hate for Alleva?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:53 am to tuptiger
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:53 am to tuptiger
#1) The way he handled the possible firing of Miles in 2015 showed him to be an amateur. He has little to no true control or power in the Athletic program. If he would have handled the situation like Georgia did win Richt then we would have landed Jimbo, Fuente or Herman.
#2) His fuch up caused to waste a season with maybe our most talented team ever.
#3) He hand cuffed Miles when Les wanted to go get Aranda and we had to go through the Steele curtain experiment. Who know what could have happened with DA going into Bama in '15. I feel like we definitely would have beaten Ole Miss and Arkansas with Aranda.
#3) The Trent Johnson hire was a joke, anyone who knew anything about basketball knew his success was directly due to the Lopez twins at Stanford.
#4) He tried to make fans and alumni happy with the Johnny hire instead of hiring the best man for the job. Emotional decision. Also Johnny was terrible at North Texas.
#5) Jermey Foley played him like a fiddle and then he traded a home game for a fuching 11am kickoff.
#6) He threw a fit when Herman wanted to hear from Texas. Even if we wouldn't have landed him, Alleva didn't even put up a fight. He acted like a spoiled child and just shut it down.
#7) He's now taken away one of our best traditions with Mike in the stadium. I'd rather the tiger beside the opposing lockerroom than fireworks.
#8) He cancelled the McNeese game instead of rescheduling it for that Sunday. Leonard would have became the first SEC back to ever go over 2000 yards if he didn't.
#9) His handling of the Duke situation shows me that if we ever have a scnadle he'll likely immediately give into whatever pressure the media puts on him. Instead of actually doing his goddamn job.
#10) He's a bad AD. He makes emotional business decisions. He has zero ability to close. He's an amateur and I full faith that he'll fuch up the next basketball hire.
I'll give him credit for some facility upgrades and the Beth hire.
#2) His fuch up caused to waste a season with maybe our most talented team ever.
#3) He hand cuffed Miles when Les wanted to go get Aranda and we had to go through the Steele curtain experiment. Who know what could have happened with DA going into Bama in '15. I feel like we definitely would have beaten Ole Miss and Arkansas with Aranda.
#3) The Trent Johnson hire was a joke, anyone who knew anything about basketball knew his success was directly due to the Lopez twins at Stanford.
#4) He tried to make fans and alumni happy with the Johnny hire instead of hiring the best man for the job. Emotional decision. Also Johnny was terrible at North Texas.
#5) Jermey Foley played him like a fiddle and then he traded a home game for a fuching 11am kickoff.
#6) He threw a fit when Herman wanted to hear from Texas. Even if we wouldn't have landed him, Alleva didn't even put up a fight. He acted like a spoiled child and just shut it down.
#7) He's now taken away one of our best traditions with Mike in the stadium. I'd rather the tiger beside the opposing lockerroom than fireworks.
#8) He cancelled the McNeese game instead of rescheduling it for that Sunday. Leonard would have became the first SEC back to ever go over 2000 yards if he didn't.
#9) His handling of the Duke situation shows me that if we ever have a scnadle he'll likely immediately give into whatever pressure the media puts on him. Instead of actually doing his goddamn job.
#10) He's a bad AD. He makes emotional business decisions. He has zero ability to close. He's an amateur and I full faith that he'll fuch up the next basketball hire.
I'll give him credit for some facility upgrades and the Beth hire.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:56 am
Posted on 3/5/17 at 7:32 am to tom
Totally agree
Maybe say it a little differently, but ditto
Alleva needs to go.
Maybe say it a little differently, but ditto
Alleva needs to go.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 7:43 am to tuptiger
Didn't Bertman hire Mainieri?
Beth Torina is his only claim to fame...
Beth Torina is his only claim to fame...
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:01 am to tuptiger
quote:
Why is there so much hate for Alleva?
7 reasons:
1. He has almost zero personality.
2. LSU fans are ignorant about an AD's role
3. He's blamed for the demise of LSU hoops, although it was Skip who canned Brady and LSU hoops has been woeful since before the end of the Brown era (other than two good years).
4. He's blamed for the decline of LSU football even though it was Les Miles, aka "Elmer Fudd" who sucked the life out of it.
5. He's seen as a penny pincher although that's not even remotely true. That crown belongs to Joe Dean.
6. LSU fans are whiney little bitches.
7. They view Alleva as a NE liberal which automatically makes him an idiot in their eyes even though it's got nothing to do with being an AD (nor is it factual).
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:07 am to Tigerbait357
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I hope coach O is successful but the whole search was a giant mess, with little to no effort it seemed after having a jump start to start looking
That's just ignorant to say the search was a "giant mess". It was always Jimbo, Herman & O along with a few sniffs at Fedora, and everyone here was cool with that. The OP is exactly right in what he said.
Some posters wanted Jimbo or Herman so bad, that the hiring of O meant that the search was a failure/giant mess. Who else were we supposed to get, Saban or Belichick? It's ok if you don't want O as the HC, but stop acting like complete idiots when it comes to Alleva's search.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:10 am to tuptiger
AD a LSU is a thankless job, even Skip was beginning to tarnish his legacy toward the end.
Having said that, something about Joe seems off-putting to me. I don't sense a very genuine person.
Having said that, something about Joe seems off-putting to me. I don't sense a very genuine person.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:15 am to tuptiger
My problem with Alleva goes back to the BS that he let Miles pull when Miles claimed Arky wanted him as a head coach which we all know was total BS. He gives Miles an extension and a fricking pay raise. He should have said , Miles you want a pay raise, you win the SEC championship or you win the BCS championship and you already have an incentive based contract. I don't know all the details but I remember the news reporting that. Then , the whole Florida thing was a fiasco. He didnt have to dig his heels in the sand and basically have the game played here. It was a PR fiasco for LSU, we came out looking like the Big bully. A lot of good it did us. Now with that we have to play 2 years in a row over there. I will give him a pass on Johnson, on paper looked like a good hire, the same for Nikki Caldwell, Backed into a hire on Beth Torina which I will say was a good hire. Jones should have been terminated last year. I do care about lesser sports, and the Girls Volleyball and Soccer teams are abysmal and when the new Title laws, may as well be competitive in those sports, In sum, just an overall downgrade in ADs that LSU has. Of course, I believe that Brodhead was the best AD to ever touch LSU and Louisiana politics as usual did him in.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:17 am to Geaux23
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He essentially fired him (for fricks sake they carried his arse off the field) rehired them and fired him again the next year. Great AD work
It was like 3 games later which is hilarious.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:19 am to tuptiger
If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:20 am to Tiger Ugly
quote:
AD a LSU is a thankless job, even Skip was beginning to tarnish his legacy toward the end.
Because LSU has had bad ADs.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:22 am to TigerNlc
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Because LSU has had bad ADs.
Please explain why they've been so bad?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:50 am to tuptiger
Alleva screwed up the Miles situation in 2015. It's his job, as a leader, to know who the powerbrokers are involved in the decision and to gain consensus before making such decision. Apparently, not everyone was onboard and it blew up in his face, embarrasing LSU.
Alleva had plenty of time to go find a coach after firing Miles. Herman turns us down and he hires a dline coach. Rich Rodriguez turns down Bama and they hire Saban. That's what football schools do.
Then there is Jones. Some want to say it wasn't his hire and blame Temple, Shaq, Brown, etc. Every school has prominent people, boosters, etc., who wants input in the hiring/firing process. Again, as a leader, it's his job to maintain control and not be pushed around by outside people. Afterall, it's his job on the line, not theirs.
Alleva has a history of not being a leader at Duke and at LSU. Everyone is not cut out to be a leader.
Alleva had plenty of time to go find a coach after firing Miles. Herman turns us down and he hires a dline coach. Rich Rodriguez turns down Bama and they hire Saban. That's what football schools do.
Then there is Jones. Some want to say it wasn't his hire and blame Temple, Shaq, Brown, etc. Every school has prominent people, boosters, etc., who wants input in the hiring/firing process. Again, as a leader, it's his job to maintain control and not be pushed around by outside people. Afterall, it's his job on the line, not theirs.
Alleva has a history of not being a leader at Duke and at LSU. Everyone is not cut out to be a leader.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:56 am to tuptiger
quote:Stop.
How is this relevant to the job he's done at LSU?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:58 am to Skillet
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Please explain why they've been so bad?
Do I really need to explain why Joe Dean and Alleva is/was bad at their job? I don't really think Skip was bad.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:08 am to tuptiger
quote:
tuptiger
Hey Joe, just frick off.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:38 am to tuptiger
[How is this relevant to the job he's done at LSU?]
Because of the Duke BS, he never should have been hired at LSU. He has proven time and again that he will cave in to pressure and take the easy way out. He is not a leader. LSU deserves much better.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:21 am to Solo Cam
Half the shite in your post isn't true. 
Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:26 am to BayouBengals03
Yeah, how exactly can you argue with someone that's pulling things out of their arse to make Alleva look worse? and of course he gets upvotes. facts don't matter anymore 
Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:28 am to Skillet
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It was always Jimbo, Herman & O
And if you don't think that's a major problem you shouldn't be commenting in this thread.
Name any major program, outside of the one Joe Alleva is in charge of, that would go into a search saying those were the only three choices.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:28 am to tigerbait2010
Well, our fan base is stubborn and has made up their mind on this issue already, so the upvotes will never go away.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 10:31 am
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