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re: Why Does Crowton Need a Dual Type QB?

Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:46 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:46 am to
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Crowton has had Dickson and Rattay. Those guys were very different. He set records w/ Rattay, but after Dickson went down Oregon was done.


he wasn't Oregon's OC that year with dixon
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:46 am to
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Colt McCoy is not a pro style QB and if you think that, you are retarded.


so you think a guy that threw the ball almost 450 times for almost 4000 yds with a 76 comp.% but only had more than 15 rushing attempts in a game one time this season isnt know for his passing?

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And I'm sure OU would love to trade their pro style QB away if it won them a damn bowl game.


well wrong again bc the HEISMAN trophy winner was the reason they were in the game in the first place. And it wasnt Bradford that lost them NC, it was their defense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:49 am to
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The fact of the matter is that pro style QB's do not win championships in college football in this day and age.

matt flynn wasn't really "dual threat" to me
Posted by King Joey
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:49 am to
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The fact of the matter is that pro style QB's do not win championships in college football in this day and age.
Chris Leak and Matt Leinart were pro style QBs. So were Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey, Josh Huepel, Chris Weinke and Tee Martin. In the BCS era, only four "dual threat" QBs have won championships (and Mauck was barely a dual threat the year he won it).

Posted by 8enga1s
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:49 am to
Tebow is a dual-threat????
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:50 am to
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so you think a guy that threw the ball almost 450 times for almost 4000 yds with a 76 comp.% but only had more than 15 rushing attempts in a game one time this season isnt know for his passing?

did he finish the year as UT's leading rusher? i'm pretty sure he did
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:52 am to
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So were Craig Krenzel,

craig krenzel was as dual threat as mauck/flynn

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and Tee Martin.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:55 am to
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Tebow is a dual-threat????


ugh yeah
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:58 am to
i guess "dual threat" needs to be defined to determine whether guys like:
krenzell
mauck
flynn

are "dual threats"

no argument that these are dual threats:

vince
tebow
martin

no question these guys are pocket passers:

weinke
heupel
dorsey
leinart
leak
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 10:59 am to
Crowton needs a dual threat QB about as much as winners need to watch UFC.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:04 am to
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Crowton needs a dual threat QB about as much as winners need to watch UFC.



red monkeys need a smorgasbord of candy canes about as much as blue turtles need a minuscule amount of MSG

there
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:06 am to
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i guess "dual threat" needs to be defined to determine whether guys like:
krenzell
mauck
flynn

are "dual threats"


personally i vote no on this group.

Flynn only had 215 rushing yds and 4 tds his senior season.

Posted by tigerhack
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:10 am to
if you watch a great team with one qb see what happens when he gets hurt. usc , oregon were headed to the nc game and the qb's got hurt and that ended their run. lsu's qb flynn went down but we played perriloux all season in the two qb roll so he played tenn. in the sec.champ. game and won. so if you got both it's smart to play both. if jefferson keeps running and he will he will eventually get hurt and if lee takes enough hits he will also eventually get hurt. so lsu needs to make sure we can play with either qb behind center.
Posted by King Joey
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:20 am to
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craig krenzel was as dual threat as mauck/flynn
Flynn I'd disagree with somewhat, but you're not wrong about Mauck in his championship season. But people here are stuck on the vision of him running against UT in the '01 SECCG and him running before his foot injury in 2002. Imo, when he came back in '03, he was much more of a passer with some mobility in the pocket than an actual "dual threat" QB.

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and Tee Martin.

I checked and it looks like you're right. Tee does appear to have been a dual threat type QB. I really didn't remember him running the ball that much.

So I guess that's 5 out of 11. A strong showing, but still a minority. And certainly nowhere near enough to validate the claim that "pro-style QBs" can't win championships.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:21 am to
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Flynn I'd disagree with somewhat,

i don't think you watched krenzell much

they were all 4.8 guys running around
Posted by Bad Cat
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:36 am to
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Why Does Crowton Need a Dual Type QB?


Why do you say Crowton needs a dual type QB?

Where did you get this clueless idea?

The Wizard knows how to take advantage of a dual threat QB, but he has already proven he doesn't need one--2007 BCS championship with a pro-style QB.

How does Louisiana produce so many clueless RANTards?
Posted by Chimlim
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 11:45 am to
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The fact of the matter is that pro style QB's do not win championships in college football in this day and age


Let's look at the past few National Champions

2003: Mauck - I wouldn't consider Mauck a dual threat QB. Yeah he ran well but in 03 he was more of a pro-style pocket passer.

2004: Leinart - Pro Style

2005: Young - Dual Threat

2006: Leak - Pro Style Tebow - Dual Threat

2007: Matt Flynn - Pro Style

2008: Tebow - Dual Threat

Seems about 50/50 to me.....The only true dual threats to win NCs the past 5 years were Young and Tebow, two of the best players in college football history. Just what do you consider "dual threat"? A QB who can just tuck it and run to avoid pressure and gain 5 or 6 yards, which is just about every QB in NCAA football, or a QB whom you can run option plays and gameplan your entire offense around his running ability?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 12:19 pm to
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JR never played under Crowton FWIW.


goodness, I wish crowton came a year earlier...
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 1:06 pm to
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Why Does Crowton Need a Dual Type QB?


I think he likes the fact that he can have both. Have your pro style guy (MF) run the majority of the O and then let your dual threat guy (RP) come take the wind our of the D's sails.

Worked for Flynn/RP and Leak/TT...
Posted by ready4something
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 1:13 pm to
We had a pro style qb in Lee and we see how that worked out.
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