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re: Why does Coach O get so much grief about his first head coaching job?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I fully understand your logic, but I also don't want LSU to become a Tenn or Georgia
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:27 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Not sure many coaches don't do well at there first job
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You want promote a 55 year old DLINE COACH to run your program
Whats wrong with this?????? You are just pissed cause He may do better with Miles talent than Miles did... It sure has showed so far this year... FACT...........
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:30 pm to SabiDojo
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If Coach O is so unqualified, why has he been picked as an interim head coach for two power programs?
Because giving the interim job to a dline coach shows a change from the previous regime. Also when HC go the coordinators usually go with them. Which is what happened at both interim tags. He is also a great motivator. He is great at rallying the troops and thats something you need when a regime change has happened.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:34 pm to dukke v
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Whats wrong with this???
Did you really just ask me why i have a problem with hiring a career dline coach as a HC? Its because he has never ran a side of the ball successfully, let alone ran a program. Would bama hire ed orgeron at HC? Would Florida state, Michigan, or ohio state hore Coach O? Hell no.
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You are just pissed cause He may do better with Miles talent than Miles did..
Unlike you ,i want lsu to be successful regardless of the coach.
You hated miles more than you care about Lsu. Fact.
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sure has showed so far this year... FACT...........
K. Please show me the CAREER position coaches being hired as head coaches at top tier programs. Ill wait.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Here's the deal. Let's assume we win out with Orgeron. Let's also just assume we would have beat Auburn and Wisconsin with him in charge (or just one of those for the sake of the argument). You still think he's undeserving with an 11-1 team with a 10pt loss to Bama? Or even 10-2?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Please let me in on all these career position coaches that get hired as head coaches at big time programs.
I doubt anybody has ever heard of these guys, but the first two that come to mind for me are Urban Meyer and Dabo Swinney.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Also when HC go the coordinators usually go with them. Which is what happened at both interim tags.
Is it?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:35 pm to rrboy
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I fully understand your logic, but I also don't want LSU to become a Tenn or Georgia
Tenn or UGA actually hired coaches that have proven to be successful at running a defense.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:37 pm to SabiDojo
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Is it?
Outside of Aranda, then yeah.
If Ed orgeron is so highly thought of why wasnt he given offers after being a successful interim coach? Why hasnt any big time programs offered him as HC or even DC? Why was a he a dline coach at 55? Do you really think he chose to be a dline coach at 55?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:38 pm to monceaux
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That means that NOT one person thought enough of his knowledge on either side of the ball to give him the reins
Yet 3 schools have made him head coach. And he's 10-3 taking over 2 trainwrecks and 9-2 in conference.
Dumb argument. Try harder.
See John L Smith
Look O is s good recruiter and decent Dline coach(Jenkins has em playing better)
This program isn't a trainwreck, and neither was USC...both programs stacked
The fact that you think otherwise makes your opinion invalid
A Dline coach as head man? Oh my goodness, maybe we should expand our search to all good position coaches
shite, get Frank Wilson, that is an upgrade over O.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:38 pm to Tiger Ree
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doubt anybody has ever heard of these guys, but the first two that come to mind for me are Urban Meyer and Dabo Swinney.
Haha. Urban Meyer and Dabo did not go from position coach to big time HC. My god. Dabo sweeney was an assistant head coach AND WR coach. Urban Meyer was a HC at a mid major then went to UF.
Are you really calling Bowling green a big time program? Lol.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Outside of Aranda, then yeah.
There you go. Which goes to show you that they had a choice and went with Orgeron. Maybe Aranda didn't want it, or maybe they went with the guy who had experience as both a hc and interim hc.
As for Orgeron being a dline coach, he obviously wasn't bad at his job, and whether you like it or not he has shown that he can coach. Thoughts about Orgeron today aren't the same as they were in August and you would be foolish to think otherwise.
Quick question, would you take Frank Wilson over Orgeron?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:44 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Because some believe, in the mantra of rating College Coaches, that the only thing that matters is the cumulative total of "What have you accomplished in your top roles ONLY". One cannot learn from their errors; they ARE their errors.
In corporate life, the mantra is "What have you done for me lately". Great accomplishments from the past mean nothing; only what happened the past week / month / quarter. That's what has lead to so much drain of intellectual capital over counting the beans in so many industries [banking being a significant one].
The great administrators [Alleva will be judged here] is separating out the truly great dimensions of the individual to build a machine of championships.
In corporate life, the mantra is "What have you done for me lately". Great accomplishments from the past mean nothing; only what happened the past week / month / quarter. That's what has lead to so much drain of intellectual capital over counting the beans in so many industries [banking being a significant one].
The great administrators [Alleva will be judged here] is separating out the truly great dimensions of the individual to build a machine of championships.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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My god. Dabo sweeney was an assistant head coach AND WR coach.
CEO was Associate head coach, D-Line and recruiting coordinator under Pete Carroll at USC.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Do you really think he chose to be a dline coach at 55?
Again...How do you kmow he can't do the job??? From his results of this years team, you really can't say anything..... I have zero problem giving him A shot.....
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:55 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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O's record and performance at his sole permanent head coaching job is "irrelevant" to whether he should be hired as LSU's permanent head coach?
That was light years ago- you don't think O is worlds beyond that now? He took an LSU team that would have won one more game at best this season under Miles and put this team back on the map! He will have the chance, like any other coach, to bring in the best possible OC money can buy; something he sure as hell didn't have at Ole Miss. We already have Aranda, we are set at DC, just need the proper OC. And, O will recruit his arse off. We will certainly look long & hard at Fisher, but Herman is all Texas, pending some big surprise, but in the end, do not be surprised if O isn't selected.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:55 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Because a Cajun at Ole Miss
Is a turd in a punch bowl in their pretentious eyes
SNOBS
Is a turd in a punch bowl in their pretentious eyes
SNOBS
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:56 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Ole miss won 10 games 2 years before he got there. Stfu
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:58 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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I mean hell Bill Bellicheck (spelled wrong) failed at his first couple of coaching jobs.
I'm sure this has been addressed, but using this example is absolutely fricking retarded.
Bill coached the Cleveland Browns and was better than both his predecessor and successor. He brought them to 11 wins and the playoffs. He did not get along with their dumbass ownership and was not given GM privileges when it came to drafting. The relationship caused the split.
Orgeron was A LOT worse than both his predecessor and successor. He also got worse every year he was at Ole Miss. In his 3rd year, when it was "his team and program" he went 0-8 in the SEC.
Dale Nutt took that same team to a Cotton Bowl win the next year. This proves what we know: O can recruit and coach DL. That's it.
He has been handed two supremely talented teams with players and coordinators already in place and beaten teams he was supposed to. When he had his own program and made all the decisions that go into running a program, he was an absolutely historic disaster. I was a student at Ole Miss during his era and it was horrifying. No institutional control, absolute disarray on the field during games, no discipline, and the worst in-game coaching I've ever seen.
It we hire him to be our head coach, we will never win shite again. The rest of the SEC will laugh in our fricking faces.
If the man had a midwest accent, nobody would want to hire him. If LSU fired him tomorrow, no big football program would even entertain the thought of interviewing him for the head coaching job.
Everyone needs to take their heads out of their asses. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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