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Why does aranda play Vincent so far off the LOS ?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:32 am
It’s simply too easy at times for teams to complete passes in the middle of the field against us. I know Vincent gets a lot of shite but aranda isn’t exsctly setting him up for success playing a nickel ten yards off the LOS every play doesn’t make any sense. Oklahoma has their nickel press as well as bama idk why we don’t have Vincent press more that’ll be a better utilization of his speed than playing so far off because he isn’t the most fluid corner
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:34 am to Cd104444
Vincent is undersized and has enough trouble covering as it is. Not everyone is built to play press man, and Vincent clearly isn't.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:34 am to Cd104444
Maybe we are playing a zone when he's off the line. Or maybe we are trying to make it look like we were playing a zone.
A good QB, and a good OC will pick you apart before the snap is even made if they know exactly what you are doing on every down. Hell, we are witnessing that with our offense right now.
A good QB, and a good OC will pick you apart before the snap is even made if they know exactly what you are doing on every down. Hell, we are witnessing that with our offense right now.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:35 am to Cd104444
A damn men.
Been wondering that all season. Easy 7-10 yards.
Been wondering that all season. Easy 7-10 yards.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:45 am to Cd104444
Vincent just isn't good at football and Aranda is trying to hide him as best he can.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:47 am to TheCaterpillar
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Vincent just isn't good at football and Aranda is trying to hide him as best he can
That's just dumb. If he wasn't good at football, he wouldn't be playing DB at LSU. Is he as good as Stingley and Fulton? No, but not many people are.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:51 am to Cd104444
People say that, But literally every team has CBS play off periodically.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:52 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Ok I'' rephrase, he isn't very good at football relative to what we've come to expect.
He is CLEARLY the weakest link on the starting 22 and has been picked on all year.
By your logic Demetrius Hookfin was good at football. You know what I meant.
He is CLEARLY the weakest link on the starting 22 and has been picked on all year.
By your logic Demetrius Hookfin was good at football. You know what I meant.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:53 am to Cd104444
Vincent has the speed to close the gap pretty fast when lining up that far off. I feel like his problem is the angles he takes and staying in the WR hip pocket. He just doesn't adjust well to the WR routes and his speed only makes up for so much. Basically, playing him closer wouldn't help as he can't press. Hopefully, he can loosen his hips a little. Donte Jackson had similar problems with his speed; he finally figured it out.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:55 am to Manchac Man
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Vincent has the speed to close the gap pretty fast when lining up that far off. I feel like his problem is the angles he takes and staying in the WR hip pocket. He just doesn't adjust well the WR routes and his speed only makes up for so much. Basically, playing him closer wouldn't help as he can't press. Hopefully, he can loosen his hips a little. Donte Jackson had similar problems with his speed; he finally figured it out.
Donte had much better hips than Vincent, but I agree that is his problem. Donte's biggest problem was locating and playing the ball in the air IMO.
Vincent is just a stiff, straight line speedster that doesn't have the length or fluidity to be a very good coverage guy. He's been out of position a lot as well and he's lucky he didn't get called for several more PIs (2 I can think of against Florida).
Just one of Amik Robertson, Kelvin Joseph, or Patrick Surtain on this team to fill that hole would make this defense exponentially better against the pass IMO.
It is scary to think that Tua will be passing those 5 yard slants in front of Vincent to his elite wide receivers. Aranda is going to have to figure that out.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:58 am to TheCaterpillar
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Vincent just isn't good at football
wrong
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:12 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Vincent just isn't good at football and Aranda is trying to hide him as best he can.
if this were true, then that means every player behind him on the depth chart is worse at football. so, we have no player for his position.
do some of you people ever think before you speak, let alone type + submit...................?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:41 pm to Tigear
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if this were true, then that means every player behind him on the depth chart is worse at football. so, we have no player for his position.
I think this is probably true because they're all too young and inexperienced. There is an obvious hole on our defense. People who don't see that aren't watching the games.
Now, I'm not saying he can't improve or Aranda can't figure out a way to better utilize him going forward. Hopefully both of those happen.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:44 pm to Cd104444
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It’s simply too easy at times for teams to complete passes in the middle of the field against us. I know Vincent gets a lot of shite but aranda isn’t exsctly setting him up for success playing a nickel ten yards off the LOS every play doesn’t make any sense.
And we used to complain about John Battle the same way. It is unique to the position and its responsibilities
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:45 pm to GetmorewithLes
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And we used to complain about John Battle the same way. It is unique to the position and its responsibilities
Different position.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:50 pm to Cd104444
many different reasons from scheme to player.
Hiding coverage could be one. Him off the line making it look more like a zone, could have the qB more worried about a lber dropping into the slant zone.
You can't press everywhere due to crossing routes or rubs or picks. If all are in press position a good offense will pick the crap out of your dbs. Someone has to be deeper and typically it is your inside guy. If it is a run, his guy blocking him could cause issues with a lber flowing to an outside run.
Could also be player wise, can't jam, easily beat, etc.
Hiding coverage could be one. Him off the line making it look more like a zone, could have the qB more worried about a lber dropping into the slant zone.
You can't press everywhere due to crossing routes or rubs or picks. If all are in press position a good offense will pick the crap out of your dbs. Someone has to be deeper and typically it is your inside guy. If it is a run, his guy blocking him could cause issues with a lber flowing to an outside run.
Could also be player wise, can't jam, easily beat, etc.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:57 pm to Cd104444
Idk why y’all expect every db to be like Patrick Peterson. Every defense has weak links. Every coverage is beatable.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:00 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Just one of Amik Robertson
that would have been the answer. oh what could have been. either way we roll with Vincent.
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scary to think that Tua will be passing those 5 yard slants in front of Vincent
Vincent and Aranda has to see this type stuff in practice. Aranda may be holding his cards against Bama's game plan, and will slide fulton back into nickel when the time is right.
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Aranda is going to have to figure that out.
I hope.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:09 pm to jtran1988
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Idk why y’all expect every db to be like Patrick Peterson. Every defense has weak links. Every coverage is beatable
As good as Stingley is, Florida tore his arse up on one drive. It's as if people expect a WR never ever to make a catch on our DBs. Every single season there is one CB that the rant loves to rag on. This season, it is Vincent.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:16 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Because he can't cover. Basically saying let the guy make his move and your fast enough to catch up. Doesn't want him to get faked out for big play.
DA playing percentages with Vincent, just not a great cover guy.
DA playing percentages with Vincent, just not a great cover guy.
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