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re: Why do Thompson and Dugas switch positions?

Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:16 pm to
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This coming from the guy who isn't sure we should start Skenes.


There is 100% valid reasoning to not start Skenes. To not consider it is limited thinking.

Be an idiot and think every baseball game is like every other.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:17 pm to
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Weird you’d try to argue differently when it’s pretty well known and accepted.




It's also weird that you would argue against starting the best pitcher in baseball, and instead hope someone else can match up to WF's ace with the season on the line, and then if that doesn't work out hope Skenes can somehow subtract runs off the board
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:19 pm to
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There is 100% valid reasoning to not start Skenes.



Yes there is. Having him pitch in a mythical game that you have a worse chance of getting to without him on the mound.

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Be an idiot and think every baseball game is like every other.



Yeah, I bet there are tons of examples of coaches saving their available ace in elimination games.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:20 pm to
Skenes is not going 9 innings buddy. He may only be good for 6 at most and then he’s done for the finals anyway. Starting Hurd keeps your options open if Hurd would be the first out of the pen after Skenes. It’s not even “overthinking” it. It’s giving yourself a chance to determine if and when you need him.
Posted by Blutarsky
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:21 pm to
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They said last night they are doing it due to dugas' shoulder injury.


Hopefully a LH doesn’t hit one to short or Dugas’ arm will fall off trying to throw to 1st.
Posted by skuter
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:22 pm to
Have you watched Dugas throw? He shot puts the ball because his shoulder is injured from the dive months ago. It won’t get better until the seasons over
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:22 pm to
He’s fielded a grounder at SS and he did fine. I think it was in the regional when it last happened though.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:24 pm to
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Yeah, I bet there are tons of examples of coaches saving their available ace in elimination games.


Is he available though?

He's been a dominant machine on a very structured preparation schedule all season. This is the first time he'll break that structure.

Do you know how that would work out?

Likely it works out just fine. But not to consider it is limited thinking.

Personally I'd lean towards starting him with a PC of about 35-40... a normal mid-week bp session. Then have him go likely Sunday, but preferably Saturday.

And the 35-40 would be game time decisions based on how the game is flowing at that point.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:25 pm to
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Skenes is not going 9 innings buddy.



Nobody said he was. It's dumb to hope someone else can protect him for next game, but if that doesn't work out bring him into a shitty situation in a role he hasn't played all year without his normal warmup and routine and burn him anyway in hopes your semi-cold bats save the day
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:26 pm to
Also, as I've said many times, give me anyone who isn't walking or hitting batters against WF right now. Everything I've seen from them so far has been underwhelming.

Limit the free bases and we win.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:26 pm to
He is absolutely available. Whether that’s just for 3 or 6 innings we won’t know till he’s out there. By starting Hurd, you give team a chance to make that decision for you. If Hurd shoves and we jump out to a good lead, you hold off Skenes as late as you can or maybe don’t have to use him at all. That’s the benefit of starting someone else. Whereas if he starts, you feel like you have to get the most out of him.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:27 pm to
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Is he available though?

He's been a dominant machine on a very structured preparation schedule all season. This is the first time he'll break that structure.

Do you know how that would work out?

Likely it works out just fine. But not to consider it is limited thinking.



Cool. Tell me how it would work out if they tell him "maybe you'll pitch, maybe you won't. If you do, you will likely come in trailing the other team, maybe in the middle of an AB, in a role you haven't played all year, and without your normal game day routine"
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:28 pm to
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if that doesn't work out bring him into a shitty situation
Whats it matter if the someone who gives up the runs does it at the start or at the end?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:29 pm to
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you will likely come in trailing the other team
Why is this likely? Hurd did great against them Monday and Lowder has had two bad outings in a row.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:29 pm to
it could be a consideration to only bring in Skenes when necessary, be it the first or the ninth inning. Have a tolerance of 4 maybe 5 runs before he is brought in depending on how the LSU offense is doing. who knows maybe LSU has a 10 run lead and he doesn't need to pitch.

it is true Skenes can't subtract runs. it would be risky. but its also hard to imagine him not pitching in the finals. it doesn't seem to make sense

is it a gamble either way?
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:29 pm to
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Whats it matter if the someone who gives up the runs does it at the start or at the end?



It's better if it happens at the beginning, IMO.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:30 pm to
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He is absolutely available.


Ya I didnt use the right words.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:30 pm to
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Personally I'd lean towards starting him with a PC of about 35-40... a normal mid-week bp session. Then have him go likely Sunday, but preferably Saturday.




I didn't even get this far into your post but holy shite.

We are worried about taking him off his rest routine, but you want him ready to throw twice in 3 days? You do know if his pitch count is 35-40, he daily total would be close to 100, right?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:30 pm to
Still waiting on those “tons” of examples where the SS or 3B aren’t in the lowest 2 fld% of teams starters.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:31 pm to
I bet you didn’t know that he threw some before yesterdays game as part of his routine.
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