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Why Crowton's Play-calling is so Horrific
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:52 pm
I've seen Miles allude to this several times. It seems that Crowton is not necessarily calling the best play for the situation, but rather, he is calling a play that might not work but it will set up a bigger play later (if that play works). To some extent, all coordinators do this I know, but Crowton does it poorly in relation to our players. The problem is that many of our bigger plays are accompanied by penalties, sacks, dropped passes, and missed reads. The only ones we are keeping off balance are ourselves. So, on Saturday against Ole Miss when we has 1st and 10 at the 32 with 40 seconds left, the smart play would have been to run. But Miles said that Crowton "saw something" and they went with the pass. They pass when they should run and run when they should pass. It is far too complicated and keeps the offense out of rhythm constantly hoping for the big play while using Shepard, Holliday, et al, pirmarily as decoys. Crowton might be really smart and some type of offensive genius, but he out thinks himself and his team.
We need to get back to basics. I'm not saying that we should be predictable, but we need to be fundamentally sound and we are not.
We need to get back to basics. I'm not saying that we should be predictable, but we need to be fundamentally sound and we are not.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:54 pm to AlaTiger
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Crowton might be really smart and some type of offensive genius, but he out thinks himself and his team.
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:57 pm to AlaTiger
The most obvious offensive game plan for tomorrow would be to run Steven Ridley. Arky has a suspect run defense and it would keep the ball out of the hands of Mallett. Also has the advantage of helping our defense and taking pressure off of a young quarterback. Would also help set us up for the 4th quarter. These are exactly the kinds of things that Crowton doesn't do. His play calling is poor, but he has a fundamental ignorance of a coherent offensive game plan. He sucks and needs to go. ASAP.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 6:59 pm to AlaTiger
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We need to get back to basics. I'm not saying that we should be predictable, but we need to be fundamentally sound and we are not.
That's it. We need to be fundamentaly sound and back to basics but that does not mean Big 10 type basic. In this day and age in the SEC and with LSU type talent and less than dominating o-line you still need to pass to set up the run and not the other way around. Not that that is what we are doing now but I just hope they don't shift to far in the opposite direction.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 7:03 pm to cepheid
Passing to set up the run is fine. Use our speed on the edges and our huge, fast WR's on quick slants over the middle. Loosen up the defense by dragging our TE and then gash with the run up the middle after the LB's are out of the way. There are so many things we could do if we would just settle down and focus.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 7:03 pm to BayouBengals03
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Crowton might be really smart and some type of offensive genius
Being "too smart by half" is not being smart. I take issue with this "wizard" bullshite. Failure is not genius. Complexity masks a lot of personal flaws. Unfortunately, most people are fooled by complexity the way that a con man fools marks out of their money.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 7:13 pm to Shaka Zulu
Crowton's hard to figure out. He is either brilliant (BCS CG) or HORRIBLE!( 07 Kentucky 2nd half, Bama 08, most games 09)
I questioned his playcalling in 07 but sort of praised him after the National Championship. Gave him a pass last year with Lee, but can't do this year. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but there is no reason for the offense to be this bad.
If our offense was around 50th or 60th in the country, fine, chalk it up as a young QB and porous o-line. But 106th is unacceptable. Look what Miami has done with their young QB.
I questioned his playcalling in 07 but sort of praised him after the National Championship. Gave him a pass last year with Lee, but can't do this year. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but there is no reason for the offense to be this bad.
If our offense was around 50th or 60th in the country, fine, chalk it up as a young QB and porous o-line. But 106th is unacceptable. Look what Miami has done with their young QB.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 7:20 pm to south bama tiger
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But 106th is unacceptable
it is unacceptable. Their were various factors that contributed to low offensive stats during the season, such as a lot of close games where we were playing it close to the vest so as to perhaps protect an inexperienced QB, but whatever factors were involved this still does not account for us being 106th! in the country in offensive output. If we were 50-60th with the extunuating factors taken into account maybe you could justify it. But you can't justify 106th!
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:12 pm to AlaTiger
I agree that some of Crowton's play calls have been awful at best this year (i.e. the option call with Lee which may be the worst play call ever). But, it's more than just him. The guys need to make some plays. The line needs to block better. The receivers need to run crisper patterns and catch the ball so we can move the chains with more regularity. And Jefferson has to be more accurate with his throws and his decision making (especially with taking sacks). I guess the reason Crowton catches the heat (and probably rightly so) is the fact that the latter examples are 18-21 year old young men and he's an experienced, older coordinator and should be doing a better job.
My point is that if this team is going to get back in the hunt for a national title next year, everyone is going to have to contribute in fixing things. I don't know if Crowton is fixable or not, but I do know the other things are. Jefferson will only get better. The line will gel with more experience (although losing Black will hurt), and the more they throw to Randle, the less drops the receiving corp will have (the guy has glue on his hands). I'm looking forward to and praying they get it all worked out because this team is fun to watch when they get it going.
My point is that if this team is going to get back in the hunt for a national title next year, everyone is going to have to contribute in fixing things. I don't know if Crowton is fixable or not, but I do know the other things are. Jefferson will only get better. The line will gel with more experience (although losing Black will hurt), and the more they throw to Randle, the less drops the receiving corp will have (the guy has glue on his hands). I'm looking forward to and praying they get it all worked out because this team is fun to watch when they get it going.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:35 pm to AlaTiger
Agreed. this coupled with the fact that it doesnt seem crowton recognizes this, or that it is somehow in his wiring and he can't change, and that he absolutely refuses to remotely adapt and play with the team he has-- all of this puts us in a bad spot. I dont think miles has a choice but to help find him a new home after ar-kansas. Best move is to find him a new home while negatiating with a new guy and his agent, announce the change, and maybe/maybe not let crowton coach the o in whatever dust bowl we play in. Sort of like we did with bo. The difference is bo was great and we needed him to stay through the bowl. I dunno abt crowton.i'd be tempted to let jlee call the o and let jj run it. I bet we score 72 pts.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:35 pm to AlaTiger
Crowtons offense has always depended on a great passing QB that can read defenses and make check downs, we do not have one.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:36 pm to Lone Wolf
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The line needs to block better
True. A good o-line can make any offense good. And vice versa.
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The receivers need to run crisper patterns and catch the ball so we can move the chains with more regularity.
While our WRs can play more consistently sometimes, they are the strength of our offense and have made a lot of plays this year. JJ has thrown a lot of passes behind and away from WRs on occasion, and they seem to make the catch more often then not.
While these are all valid points, no one can justify 106th in the nation. The Crowton thing is more than just this one year though. Good luck to him in the future though.
This post was edited on 11/26/09 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 8:42 pm to AlaTiger
AlaTiger - your post has a lot of merit. Crowton is good about looking ahead and setting up knock-out plays. He seems to really get his jollies from this type of thing. But all too often it is at the expense of a simple, but effective play.
Glaring example: Keiland ran well against OM in the 1st half (44 yds on 8 carries). So what. He got 2 carries for 6 yds in the 3rd qtr before his final carry as a Tiger in the 4th.
I've been a big fan of Crowton thru '08. But his inability or unwillingness to simplify things and stay with the what's working is costing us. Our D hasn't played well the last three weeks but neither has it cost us games necessarily. Crowton has.
Glaring example: Keiland ran well against OM in the 1st half (44 yds on 8 carries). So what. He got 2 carries for 6 yds in the 3rd qtr before his final carry as a Tiger in the 4th.
I've been a big fan of Crowton thru '08. But his inability or unwillingness to simplify things and stay with the what's working is costing us. Our D hasn't played well the last three weeks but neither has it cost us games necessarily. Crowton has.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:16 pm to AlaTiger
But all season long people on here say just the opposite of what Crowton does. When we were runing the ball every one said throw the ball down field.When they do that they want him to run it.It is so plain to see that every one on here is smarter than our coaches.It wounld not matter what they do you people don't like it . Every one keeps talking about our fan base being so smart when it comes to football but it is plain to me most of you people don't know much about coaching.Plus Crowton does not coach the offensive line.
This post was edited on 11/26/09 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:26 pm to Common sence
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When we were runing the ball every one said through the ball down field.When they do that they want him to run it.
this phenomenon did occur. because crowton was doing the opposite of what he should be doing. so what you are really saying is that the fans have been calling him out all season, which is true.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 9:36 pm to atchafalaya
We need to throw the ball and throw it often. We need to run the enough to keep defenses honest. But you don't need 4 and 5 reciever spread offense to do it and you do not need 'check with me, meekrat' offense, you don't need suddenly in the middle of a game become an option offense, you don't need multiple confusing formations to run the same old plays out of. You just need to pick a offense and make it yours, learn it, get good at it then add twists to it. But you have to learn to do at least one thing well first before trying 15 different offenses all in the same season. It's like we have 10 different offensive coordinators all trying to get a piece of their offense in.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 10:43 pm to cepheid
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Crowton might be really smart and some type of offensive genius, but he out thinks himself and his team.
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when it's done over and over it's not out smarting yourself it's just stupidity!
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Crowton might be really smart and some type of offensive genius, but he out thinks himself and his team.
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yes
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when it's done over and over it's not out smarting yourself it's just stupidity!
Posted on 11/26/09 at 10:49 pm to AlaTiger
His play calling is bad because he doesn't use his personnel correctly. He runs "his plays" no matter what, regardless of who is in and whether it will work or not. He is the definition of stubborn.
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