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re: why can't we use shepard like ole miss uses mccluster?

Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:48 pm to
Posted by ewilliams20
Houston
Member since Jan 2007
104 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:48 pm to
I thought it would be interesting to see what McCluster did his freshman year to compare against Shep.

McCluster had a total of 68 yds rushing and 232 yds receiving his WHOLE freshman season.
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Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:51 pm to
Yeah, he had a grand total of 8 carries.
Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:52 pm to
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why can't we use shepard like ole miss uses mccluster?


McCluster is a senior, while Shepard is a freshman--enough said.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 11:54 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

If he doesn't know the offense well enough, then who is to blame? Coaches you dumbass.


Miles is in the process of grooming the starting QB for the next two years. Do you think that developing a gimmick QB is at the top of his to-do list?
Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:57 am to
The real question is why couldnt Ole Miss use McCluster the same way as a freshman as they are using him this year as a senior?

The clueless get one guess, and the idiots get four guesses.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:11 am to
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The real question is why couldnt Ole Miss use McCluster the same way as a freshman as they are using him this year as a senior?


Because he weighed 150 soaking wet.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111098 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:32 am to
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why can't we use shepard like ole miss uses mccluster?


Cause McCluster knows where to lineup more than 50% of the time.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:35 am to
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If he doesn't know the offense well enough, then who is to blame? Coaches you dumbass. It is thier job to get these guys ready. Miles said for how long last year that JJ wasn't ready, while JL was continually throwing pick 6's. But he sure looked just fine when finally given the chance.


I think that if Lee didn't finally get hurt so bad that he could no longer "play" (w/Hatch knocked out for the yr. at that point), Miles would've never started JJ last yr. Lee would have stayed in there to the bitter end.

Our defense shut-down Ga. Tech in the bowl game, but w/out JJ (the offensive MVP of that game) how would Lee have done if he played the entire game. GT managed 3 pts., but their best plays could've been playing catch w/Lee's pick-6s and other ints.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:48 am to
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Because when it comes to coaching

Nutt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miles


Not by that much. Nutt and his own players admitted their No. 4 ranking and expectations being so high was tough for them to deal with, and they promptly went out and laid an egg vs. S.C., then Alabama. Plus, they have two "div. 2" games on their sked to pad their win total.

Nutt's a good coach, but in coaching circles, he's got a rep for doing his best work when his teams are underdogs or spoilers (or, as a 24-hour lame-duck at Ar-Kansas vs. LSU).
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26079 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:20 am to
quote:

I have never seen lsu fans be scared of one player since mcfadden. The guy had one great game against a tenn defense with their best D starters out because of attempted armed robbery (i think).


Stats for the last three games that Dexter has played.

He's got 600 yards rushing in the last three SEC games for christsakes, not to mention 200 yards recieving.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26079 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:23 am to
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McCluster had a total of 68 yds rushing and 232 yds receiving his WHOLE freshman season.


He also got injured for the season and only played in 6 games.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:24 am to
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Maybe because he has a total of 20 plays in his play book and we have to call timeout every time he has to come into the game because he doesn't know where to line up.


I don't care if J. Lee has 1,020 plays in his playbook & in three years has practiced them over and over. He can't execute hardly any of them. As far as your cheap-shot on RS, we saw last night that Lee screws that up all by himself.

Also, does Shepard even need 20 plays to excel and give that offense the boost and spark it needs so badly? I'll save you the trouble: NO!

I don't know you or have any reason at all to direct this to you, but having attended every LSU game except two the past 2 seasons, there's a considerable racial bias against JJ (& now JJ and RS) with too many of our fans, and it's digusting. I can say of all the other SEC, Big-12 and Big-10 schools I've covered over the years, LSU is near the bottom when it comes to the using the "race-card." (And yes, the door swings both ways.)

That old stereotype still exists (and not just at LSU) when it comes to African-Americans playing QB. It's that dirty little secret we don't want to admit that still exists, and our players know it, hate it but will never talk about it on the record. They have to roll with it, and worse, many are just used to it.
Posted by SimonSlick
Member since Oct 2007
3809 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 3:30 am to
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there's a considerable racial bias against JJ


Why does someone have to bring race up anytime a black QB is criticized?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111098 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:07 am to
quote:

As far as your cheap-shot on RS


How is stating a fact a cheap shot??

You said you go to every game, then how in the world do you NOT see how many times in the limited time Shep plays, him being absolutely clueless about where to lineup???

Come on man.

quote:

That old stereotype still exists (and not just at LSU) when it comes to African-Americans playing QB


Not sure what relevance this has since Shep doesn't play QB for LSU.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:11 am to
quote:

Why does someone have to bring race up anytime a black QB is criticized?


You kinda answered your own question.
I brought it up because it's a factor right now, even if it's a minor one.

However, LSU has given genuine opportunities for players--regardless of race--to truly earn playing time as QBs. Heck, LSU's played a number of other black QBs for many years before JJ and RS got here.

This is a long-standing issue (even on the Left Coast) that just will take some time before it gets better.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:27 am to
shel31--It's a cheap shot because we both know that ALL 3 QBs that have played this year have had the same problems you cited. Also, check out LSU's roster and depth-chart & RS is listed as "QB." Not "QB/WR/RB/KR," or...wait for it..."athlete." Just "QB," period.

When RS takes direct-snaps, as he did Sat., he could actually pass the ball. You (and the defense) don't know he won't until he runs with it and when the play is over. That is a fact.
Posted by horndog
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Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:27 am to
B/c if one of our running backs does something positive, he's benched b/c of the the method involved with Crowton's play calling. Its called the Bizarro method and apparently he is the only one using it.
Posted by horndog
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Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:30 am to
quote:

You kinda answered your own question


No he kinda didnt.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111098 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:30 am to
quote:

shel31--It's a cheap shot because we both know that ALL 3 QBs that have played this year have had the same problems you cited


Shep does NOT play QB.

quote:

Also, check out LSU's roster and depth-chart & RS is listed as "QB." Not "QB/WR/RB/KR," or...wait for it..."athlete." Just "QB," period


So you go by roster depth charts to name a player's position and not what you see actually happening on the field????

quote:

When RS takes direct-snaps, as he did Sat., he could actually pass the ball. You (and the defense) don't know he won't until he runs with it and when the play is over. That is a fact


Then why aren't Ronnie Brown and Mark Ingram listed as RB/QB????
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111098 posts
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:31 am to
quote:

No he kinda didnt


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