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Posted on 9/19/22 at 9:48 am to LSUStar
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He runs frequently when he could have passed.
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He’s a runner not a thrower.
He makes plenty of good throws. I really don't know what game you're watching. How many 3rd down conversions did he complete? Those were clutch.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:04 am to Springlake Tiger
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The problem people have is that we have some special receivers that are open. I feel bad for Daniels that he can’t pull the trigger and get it to them. I think he’s a good guy and I pull for him but he’s just not capable of running a basic passing system for whatever reason.
Gonna have to agree here... Love Daniels, he is a great kid, does well extending plays with his feet. Takes care of the ball... but man it is frustrating to see our loaded WR group not get the ball in space... It can also hurt recruiting in the future. And as Daniels stated, WR's grow of trees in LA.. We want all of them.. Just need someone to get them the ball.. The windows are there and the WR's are wide open... He either doesnt trust himself, cant read the field or lacks timing when the ball needs to go. regardless, this needs to change. and youre now seeing why the WR's wanted Nuss.. he gets them the ball better...
Daniels will be serviceable and I definately support him.. But I think the passing skills should always come first when looking for QB for LSU... Too many great WR's here.. But no one should be trashing the kid.. hes played hard and looks to be a great kid... support, critique is ok, but dont tear down..
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:15 am to whitefoot
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really don't know what game you're watching
The game were he had 3 completion with 2 minuted left in the 2nd quarter.
The game where he went 22/37 59% comple
For 210 yards(57 of which came on 1 drive).
The kid can run but he isnt a good passing qb.
We are 3 games in and only 1 wr has more than 10 catches
I still support him but it doesnt make me blind to his shortcomings as a passer.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
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it doesnt make me blind to his shortcomings as a passer
I'm not blind to his shortcomings. I can just accept them, hope he improves and also see positives at the same time.
The guy I was responding to said he's just a runner. I don't know what game you're watching if you don't see that he's a serviceable passer.
He's 70% on the year. His yards per attempt is low. His accuracy is inconsistent. He doesn't have good anticipation on his throws. Through three games, he's shown, when given the option, he's going to run for a first down over "risking" throwing it. But he's shown improvement that he's at least keeping his eyes downfield as he starts to scramble, whereas against FSU he wouldn't do this. So, I'm optimistic he's going to continue to improve in this regard and start taking more chances with his throws. But, I'd definitely rather him play it safer and move the chains over turning the ball over.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:46 am to whitefoot
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I don't know what game you're watching if you don't see that he's a serviceable passer.
I just told you... the one where we had 3 completions for almost an entire half.
The one where he failed to connect on 60% of his throws
The one where 57 yards of his 210 came on one drive.
If JD is serviceable passing then every qb we have had since 2000 was.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:47 am to carhartt
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Cause some of our “fans” are idiots.
Exhibit A to this is fans calling for Nussmeier to get into the game against State. You know, the guy who struggled and threw two INTs against Southern.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:53 am to whitefoot
I watched the same game you did. Not saying he made no throws, but his proclivity is run early. That’s a losing formula
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:54 am to TigerFan55555
we are 105th in passing yards per pass attempt. does that scream serviceable to you?
120th in passing yards per completion. check down charlie
120th in passing yards per completion. check down charlie
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:54 am to Rickdaddy4188
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If JD is serviceable passing then every qb we have had since 2000 was.
Good God, man. You're beyond help. We've had QBs with completion percentages in the 40s and you're complaining about 60% in one game (70% on the season).
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:58 am to whitefoot
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Good God, man. You're beyond help. We've had QBs with completion percentages in the 40s and you're complaining about 60% in one game (70% on the season).
Yeah im complaining about being 105th in passing yards per attempt. Which means 104 teams are better at gaining yard when they pass.
Complaining about being 120th in passing yards per completion which means 119 are better at getting yards when passes are completed. Check down charlie with your completion %
Its easy to have a great completion % when youre throwing check downs or 3 yard out routes.
Oh and those passing numbers are while having one of the most talented wrs corps in all of cfb.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:05 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah im complaining about being 105th in passing yards per attempt.
I already said his yards per attempt were too low.
You're just cherry picking stats though. He's 41 in overall QBR (not great, but far from terrible).
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Its easy to have a great completion % when youre throwing check downs or 3 yard out routes.
Is it? We've had QBs in the last 20 years who struggled mightily with this.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:14 am to sunshinetiger
I had a FB memory come up for today’s date in 2010 where I was bemoaning the two straight games JJ was <100 passing, and we had 3 NFL wide receivers on our roster then too. So for many, the inability to see wide open targets, the reluctance to release the ball in a timely fashion, and the propensity to tuck and run are sort of a PTSD for many long time fans that have witnessed really good to great LSU teams undone by mediocre QB play. Evidently BK thinks he gives us the best chance of winning, so I’ll support that decision to a point, I just hope his leash is shorter than the one Les had.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:15 am to whitefoot
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You're just cherry picking stats though. He's 41 in overall QBR (not great, but far from terrible).
You think passing yards per attempt and passing yards per completion is cherry picking? Its literally one of the best indicators of a qbs success once the ball is snapped.
Qbr takes into account running. I already said he is a great runner. We are talking passing.
passer rating he is 67th... thats not good consodering we havent played a great defense yet.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
Of course I think yards per attempt is important. It's why I've mentioned it being too low several times already. Some of that against State was him missing guys and some of it was their coverage and Daniels taking what they gave him.
For most of the game, they only rushed 4 and dropped 7.
Also, he's 17th in QBR, which as you said includes running. I misspoke when I said he was 41.
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He's 30 in passer rating.
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He's also 23 in completion percentage (yeah, I know, low yards per attempt - we've addressed that already, hopefully it improves).
All of that indicates at a minimum he's a serviceable passer.
For most of the game, they only rushed 4 and dropped 7.
Also, he's 17th in QBR, which as you said includes running. I misspoke when I said he was 41.
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He's 30 in passer rating.
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He's also 23 in completion percentage (yeah, I know, low yards per attempt - we've addressed that already, hopefully it improves).
All of that indicates at a minimum he's a serviceable passer.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:00 pm to sunshinetiger
Most people like Daniels as the starter. Most people agree he needs to see the field better. I’m worried he’s going to get hurt.
First game, when the line looked abysmal — his legs made me feel like he had the best chance of all QBs to stay healthy. Now that the OL is coming together, I’m worried old habits will translate to lots of unnecessary contact.
First game, when the line looked abysmal — his legs made me feel like he had the best chance of all QBs to stay healthy. Now that the OL is coming together, I’m worried old habits will translate to lots of unnecessary contact.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:02 pm to whitefoot
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He's also 23 in completion percentage (yeah, I know, low yards per attempt - we've addressed that already, hopefully it improves).
All of that indicates at a minimum he's a serviceable passer
Agree to disagree. I think serviceable would mean we arent one of the worst teams in generating passing yards. We are. Enjoyed the discussion either way.
Hope he proves me wrong and i readily admit he is our best option. I just wish he trusted his arm more.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:27 pm to stephendomalley
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i hate it when posters are so in love with a player no one is allowed to analyze his play without being labeled a hater, a racist, a domestic terrorist, etc.
A lot of truth to this. Maybe too many of the posters have the insane compulsion to express their feminine feels...
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:28 pm to sunshinetiger
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Why can’t we be supportive of our QB
The perfect season for LSU fans is an undefeated season where they win the natty with the backup and fire the head coach at the end of the season and hire John Gruden as the replacement.
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:33 pm to whitefoot
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The guy I was responding to said he's just a runner.
He is a run to quickly QB. He does not understand the passing concepts or, if he does, does not execute them in games. How many TD passes to WR? What percentage of his passes are to WR? What are his yds/att? He is a below average passer.
Now if LSU had a kick arse run game and an elite defense, his deficiencies would probably be OK, but there will be one or more games during which he will have to pass the team to a win and I do not think he is able at this time of doing this.
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