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re: Who will be our starting safeties?

Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by tigers32
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:07 pm to
Apparently, Battle's been impressive in summer workouts.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:56 pm to
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Mills can lay the wood and has subpar range and cover skills



I dont think Mills can play SS in the SEC. He doesnt lay the wood and hes not the best tackler and has looked skeptical in run support at times. Hes best quality is his ability to defend against the pass. He is much better suited for the FS spot. If I had to say what positions he is best suited for it would be FS, CB, Nickel, then SS. Especially when you consider how we typically play our SS up near the box a good bit. Mills would get destroyed in power running situations taking on OL, FBs, and big RBs.

And as far as Adams goes.. I am very excited about him just like everyone else is. But hes only been here for summer workouts. He hasnt played a single second. I dont think its fair to compare him to 1 of the best safeties in the NFL when all we have seen him play against is high schoolers. But I am VERY VERY excited about him and could see him getting a lot of PT, especially if Mills is unavailable.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 6:08 pm to
Mills and Jefferson, with Mills taking a back seat to Adams by midseason.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 6:10 pm to
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He doesnt lay the wood and hes not the best tackler and has looked skeptical in run support at times. Hes best quality is his ability to defend against the pass.


Gonna disagree. Mills is really good in run support and as a blitzer. Pass coverage is his weakness.

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nd as far as Adams goes.. I am very excited about him just like everyone else is. But hes only been here for summer workouts. He hasnt played a single second.


Sure but Miles specifically compared him to Eric Reid, saying Adams was the type of player who would contribute immediately. I dont' expect him to start by day 1, but I do expect him to be starting by midseason like Reid.

That would relegate Mills to a nickel back, rover type position, which he would be really good at.



This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 6:11 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:35 pm to
Comparing someone to Eric Reid isnt the same thing as comparing him to Earl Thomas... And I said I expect Adams to see a lot of PT this year. Hes a big recruit and seems to have everything you want in a Safety. But still... we have no idea what he can do at this level.

And I just dont think Mills is that good in run support... He has nice numbers and all that on his 2 seasons in terms of tackles, but I just find him missing a lot of tackles out there... enough to where it stands out to me. And he got beat early on at CB, but I find that his skill set is suited for the FS spot, especially in coverage. He isnt the best when hes man to man, but when we ran some zone with him at CB he was a lot better. And thats why I think he will be a solid center field type of FS.

And if he was playing at the SS spot for us, I think he would get destroyed playing up in the box and close to the line like we use our SS. He is not big enough nor physical enough to take on OL / FBs / RBs. He would not be able to shed those guys and make the tackle. He is OK in run support at the CB spot and sometiems in the open field(wouldnt say hes good at it though), but at the SS spot he would be taking on blocks and all that and I just do not see him being able to do that.

And in regards to him blitzing and getting sacks, everyone that we played at that nickel / dime back these last few years all got a handful of sacks. Its usually when the other team is in spread empty package, we blitz the inside DB guarding the slot and the S picks up his man. There isnt a player in the backfield to pick him up when blitzing so if he can catch the OL sleeping and use their speed to get past him, they typically get sacks. Ron Brooks, TM, Micah Eugene, Mills, and Thomas all were effective in that position while blitzing.

But the point is that I dont think Mills can play at the SS spot for us. And I dont think we need him at that spot either. Im a believer in Ronald Martin and think he just had a bad year overall, not just with football. We tried him out at FS which isnt his natural spot, his Father passed away in the beginning of the season, and then he broke a bone in his foot in the middle of the season. Thats a tough year for anybody without football. Add that to the equation and its just that much more draining.

Hes moved back to his SS spot which is his natural position. And hes a freak athlete. 6'1 218lbs, with a 41inch vert, played on the LSU bball team his freshman year, can run in the 4.5s. He went both ways in football (DB and QB), led the state in interceptions as a sophomore, made all-state in football that 10th grade season and then earned all-state honors in football and basketball as a junior and as a senior, where he led his team to state titles in both football and basketball. And was 1st team all district in baseball and track, where he ran a 46second 400m, jumped over 44ft in the triple jump, and over 23ft in the long jump.

Plus, we have seen Martin make big time plays at LSU. He was excellent his sophomore year when he filled in for Loston at SS. And I expect to see that again and more in the upcoming season.
Posted by rubberbiscuit
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:36 am to
Do lesss
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34327 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:45 am to
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I dont think Mills can play at the SS spot for us.


Well you are not going to like this season then.

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Plus, we have seen Martin make big time plays at LSU.


You can't be serious. Martin was actually terrible last year. The guy shied away from contact and got replaced pretty quickly. Martin had his chance. Why do you think Mills has the job right now?
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 8:47 am
Posted by HSHoopscoach
kenner
Member since Jan 2007
709 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:02 pm to

I'd bet the house a freshman winds up starting by the fourth game.

LSU DB jobs are not handed down, they are taken.

Last year was the first in quite some time that two corners had done their time and were "starters" at the onset. Every ounce of me knew at least one would loose their job, they both did.

Same goes for safety, somebody will take the senior's place
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79416 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 2:32 pm to
I think we are more likely to slide Mills into the nickel and rotate another safety in.

Mills is our third best cb and I think our 3 rd best safety is better than our fourth best CB
Posted by rubberbiscuit
In my house
Member since Apr 2014
303 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 5:59 pm to
Ed Paris
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Mills is our third best cb and I think our 3 rd best safety is better than our fourth best CB


Our 4 best DBS are all corners
Rr, tw, jm, ep, then rj but besides jm they're all young
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