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re: Who says we cant get someone better than Miles? Coaches with better winning...
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:35 pm to 68wDoc68w
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:35 pm to 68wDoc68w
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can we give gundy the credit for making that program what it is.
Definitely took that shite to the next level.
But even he had to continue to build it., losing first season, 2 7 win seasons before he really started to get it going.
(went 8-5 after the 2012 season i guess losing your starting QB effects most teams)
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:36 pm to CptBengal
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so it's irrelevant because you dont like it?
are you really this dumb?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:37 pm to Salmon
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are you really this dumb?
you have yet to post anything that refutes it with facts, so I guess an ad hom would be your next choice....
again, got anything of substance?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:37 pm to TN Bhoy
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Why don't you give Miles any credit for LSU's success?
didn't realize I said anything of the sort...
but as I have said in the past, LSU has won in spite of LSU miles coaching. I never agreed with his hire from the beginning. LSU's talent has taken and flat won games in spite of miles complete lack of game management, play calling and all around lack of game planning. yes he can recruit his arse off which in turn has paid off. Miles is stubborn and uses an antiquated offense thinking ill just keep doing the same thing and get the same results every time. Football has evolved since the 70s yet we run the same god awful offense. and don't give me its the OC because that topic has been disgusted enough. Same plays with multiple ocs. Miles refusing to evolve and make changes to his coaching which is why most people cannot stand him. 2007 we had to have everything fall into place and leave our hopes on Idaho and usc and pitt beating WV, and pigs flying and hell freezing over. I promise had not all that crazy stuff happen he would have been gone after the 08 season.
also I can't name one game where his coaching decisions won the game (well maybe florida 07), but I can name a lot where he lost the games.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:44 pm to CptBengal
So many are a reach and not better, mike leech? Tubberville, come on man?
Dennis Franchione , Patrino? Spurrier? Still not better.
I like McEllwain I think? 2.5 mil buy out and he doesn't want to leave. Not going to Florida.
Dennis Franchione , Patrino? Spurrier? Still not better.
I like McEllwain I think? 2.5 mil buy out and he doesn't want to leave. Not going to Florida.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:44 pm to CptBengal
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you have yet to post anything that refutes it with facts
refute what exactly?
yeah...you posting some facts
they mean nothing
congrats though
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:45 pm to CptBengal
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FAIL again, pumper
You are looking at 1 statistic in a vacuum, and holding it up as some kind of grand evidence that LEs Miles is easily replaceable.
Here are my major issues with your list
1. Includes Coaches at big time programs (FSU, Alabama, Ohio St), which Oklahoma St wasn't
2. Includes teams in shitt conferences ( Sunbelt, AAC, C-USA), which Oklahoma St wasn't (Big 12 had a team in 3/4 BCS championship games those years)
3. Include Coaches that were at programs for significantly longer times, thus getting to build a program and overcome the statistical disadvantage of taking over a shitty team)
4. the concept is irrelevant because there is little to no guarantee that these coaches would do better.
but you don't address any of these issues, you just say "FAIL PUMPER! STAAAAAAATS" then I assume high five your sister-wife.
You're argument is week, and you used Les Miles as an example of coaches succeeding in the SEC at one point.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:46 pm to Salmon
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.you posting some facts
they mean nothing
So you call me an idiot for posting facts, then I ask you to refute them about why my post was dumb and this is your response?
Do you have a form of mental retardation? If so I'll stop laughing at these pathetic attempts to make yourself seem intelligent.Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
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4. the concept is irrelevant because there is little to no guarantee that these coaches would do better.
there is no guarantee miles will do better next year.
good god, do you people not even understand your destroy your own arguments with idiotic points like this?
Do you really not think it though at all?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:48 pm to CptBengal
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so it's irrelevant because you dont like it?
It should be irrelevant because when you are discussing a coach search related topic, you should know that a coaching search is not an exact science. Just because your listed coaches had higher winning percentages doesn't mean that it is automatic that they would succeed at LSU. There is way more that goes into these searches than just the winning percentage.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:48 pm to CptBengal
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then I ask you to refute them about why my post was dumb and this is your response?
tell me what these facts mean
talk to me like I'm 5
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:50 pm to Salmon
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talk to me like I'm 5
the Op was laid out at that reading level...perhaps we're aiming too high for you at 5.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:51 pm to CptBengal
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Why don't you give Miles any credit for LSU's success?
didn't realize I said anything of the sort...
but as I have said in the past, LSU has won in spite of LSU miles coaching. I never agreed with his hire from the beginning. LSU's talent has taken and flat won games in spite of miles complete lack of game management, play calling and all around lack of game planning. yes he can recruit his arse off which in turn has paid off. Miles is stubborn and uses an antiquated offense thinking ill just keep doing the same thing and get the same results every time. Football has evolved since the 70s yet we run the same god awful offense. and don't give me its the OC because that topic has been disgusted enough. Same plays with multiple ocs. Miles refusing to evolve and make changes to his coaching which is why most people cannot stand him. 2007 we had to have everything fall into place and leave our hopes on Idaho and usc and pitt beating WV, and pigs flying and hell freezing over. I promise had not all that crazy stuff happen he would have been gone after the 08 season.
also I can't name one game where his coaching decisions won the game (well maybe florida 07), but I can name a lot where he lost the games
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:52 pm to CptBengal
oh boy
so you simply state "coaches with a better winning percentage than Miles before coming to LSU"
then you proceed to list those coaches
you don't actually tell the class what any of this information is supposed to mean
unless you are making the assumption that all of these coaches would be as successful or more successful at LSU because of their success, wherever that may be
is that what you are doing?
so you simply state "coaches with a better winning percentage than Miles before coming to LSU"
then you proceed to list those coaches
you don't actually tell the class what any of this information is supposed to mean
unless you are making the assumption that all of these coaches would be as successful or more successful at LSU because of their success, wherever that may be
is that what you are doing?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:56 pm to Salmon
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so you simply state "coaches with a better winning percentage than Miles before coming to LSU"
yep, I said that.
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hen you proceed to list those coaches
yep, again! This is good, you're 2 for 2.
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unless you are making the assumption that all of these coaches would be as successful or more successful at LSU because of their success, wherever that may be
No, I'm answering the question in the title of the OP. "Who says we cant get someone better than Miles?"
When we hired Miles he had a .57 winning percentage, 0-3 in bowls and 3-10 against ranked teams. Not exactly the "gruden" you pumpers like to throw out as to why it's stupid to even look.
Sad that this simple concept had to be explained to you. It really is...
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:56 pm to CptBengal
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there is no guarantee miles will do better next year.
good god, do you people not even understand your destroy your own arguments with idiotic points like this?
Do you really not think it though at all?
We are talking likelihood here.
There is no guarantee Nick Saban doesn't lose every game next year, but we know from his track record it is very unlikely to happen.
This season has the potential to be one of Les's worse season, but we have seen him bounce back from 8-5 season, and I think most people would find it more likely than not he will again next year.
Your argument is that we could de better because Les didn't have a stellar winning record at OSU so he can't possible be better than someone who has a better winning percentage at BYU?
You are clearly ignorant of your won argument, because you used 2 guys who had never even been a head coach before as examples of people improving their winning percentage in the SEC. (Stoops, and Mullen)
Posted on 11/17/14 at 2:58 pm to CptBengal
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No, I'm answering the question in the title of the OP. "Who says we cant get someone better than Miles?"
so your answer to all of this is a strawman?
I was hoping it was something different that is why I asked
but nope
Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
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We are talking likelihood here.
Let's talk likelihood. Do you know how to construct a likelihood, mathematically?...or were you meaning just your wild arse opinion?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
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so your answer to all of this is a strawman
No, it isnt a strawman. A strawman is brought up in argument when one cannot debate a point.
I opened the floor with the point of debate. Posters say we cant replace Miles with anyone as successful. That is clearly wrong.
Fail again. so sorry
Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:02 pm to CptBengal
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Posters say we cant replace Miles with anyone as successful.
no one says this
fail again. so sorry
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