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re: Where has Chavis's aggressive approach gone?

Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by That LSU Guy
PVB
Member since Jul 2008
14832 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:31 pm to
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Is CLM making decisions on the def play calling?
You've got to be kidding me.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:27 pm to
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Where has Chavis's aggressive approach gone?


It seems like we don't have a TPOS player anywhere on the defensive roster, and it seems like we need one.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91886 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:48 pm to
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No, true "prevent" is dropping your linebackers and in our case pulling maybe one or two ends,


Didn't Gary Danielson mention this last Saturday that our LB's were 15 yards back and safety was 20 back?
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3771 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:58 pm to
It declared early and went to the nfl last year along with the rest of our 6 starters and depth.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10308 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:59 pm to
He may have, I did not say Chavis never does. All teams do. People here mistake corners playing off of the wide out as prevent everytime, that is merely more of a zone look than a true prevent defense.
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:00 pm to
Well, an aggressive pass rush is always a must, and we just haven't had it for a long time now. Georgia certainly wasn't afraid to use it and it came up really big on the last play where Mett wasn't sacked but might as well have been, since his hurried pass sailed way over the head of our open receiver. I really hate when CB's drop back 10+ yards from the LOS, then still can't keep up with the receiver or turn around to swat the ball away. Of course a DL that creates no pass rush and is porous against the run is no help either!
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:04 pm to
Yeah, it's all Chavis' fault. Need to fire the guy now.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:06 pm to
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He is compensating for youth and possible talent deficiancies in the defensive back fiels and dropping 7 or 8 into coverage



I heard all summer how DBU was stacked in the secondary, just reload baby.

And since TD has this group of posters that like to measure dick size based on number of posts I'm gonna go ahead and reveal that a lot of those people that said we would just reload and that DBU was fine were certified PHD in football because they had 4,5, and 6 digit post counts. You got 10,000 posts you are never wrong.....

This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 2:14 pm
Posted by brmach
Member since Aug 2012
802 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:24 pm to
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Chavis has never had an aggressive approach, wtf are you even talking about?


This.

Chief has always utilized a base/zone defense that depends heavily on pressure from the front four and sound tackling. He's never been agressive with the blitzes like Saban/Kirby Smart.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61644 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:28 pm to
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Compensating for youth doesn't explain Bama in 2012 or Clemson. It seems like we get a lead and he starts playing to not lose, instead of playing to win.



We corner blitzed multiple times against Bama on the final drive.



Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61644 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:30 pm to
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I disagree. If you look at that 4th quarter vs. GA, the corners were playing 10-12 yards off the line, whereas in the 1st 3 quarters, they were up. When you change your scheme and drop back off the line like that, you're in prevent (the "Mustang" package), and you lose the ability to knock the receiver on his arse when he comes off the line, and allow the QB to dump the ball off to receivers unmolested. They did the same against Bama and Clemson last year.



We were getting gashed with Georgia's multiple vertical routes on one side of the field. The best way to combat that is with Cover 3.

When we went to cover 3, Georgia reacted immediately and dumped it off to the TE underneath. When we switched to Cover 2, Georgia ran two verticals to the strong side and we weren't able to handle it.

I tend to agree that, at some point, you have to go to man and take your chances at getting to the QB. But, it is very oversimplistic and frankly wrong to summarize our issues by saying we went in "prevent". It shows you don't know what you are talking about.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17083 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:32 pm to
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Is CLM making decisions on the def play calling? We have all seen the debacles in a few games in past on offense. I haven't tried to watch to see if he's taking an active role in calls on D lately. Just a thought.


If I could only digitize myself and travel through the internet to punch posters like this in the face.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9305 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:36 pm to
I think we should run blitz more on first down. Play more pass on second and blitz the hell out that QB on 3rd downs while keeping a saftey deep and Kwon on either the RB or TE..... We do need to let our CBs jam more on 3rd and put pressure on that QB, also stop taking on the blockers straight up!!! Need to be more elusive and make their way around them! I REALLY think we over coached and over played in this game. Which confused more than helped! This week must see improvement and if we do, I think we start to get better! The O is fine!!! No one is going to stop this O not even bama! They are just too good! Need more hot reads on those 3rd down blitzes, mayb to the TE or HB or FB. If we did that on that last drive it would of pulled those defenders back or we would of tore them up! Adjustments must be more affective and be made per drive, to what the D or O is doing! Need to save our damn timeouts for this instead of mishaps in play calling or lining up incorrectly!
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
33131 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:40 pm to
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This.

Chief has always utilized a base/zone defense that depends heavily on pressure from the front four and sound tackling. He's never been agressive with the blitzes like Saban/Kirby Smart.
Our aggressiveness on defense left with Bo Pelini. That doesn't mean that Chavis has perennially sucked, it just means that he doesn't employ that same aggressive approach. He has a sit back and wait defense, the only attackers on a Chavis defense are the linebackers, and that position is one of the weakest on the team this year, hence our current situation.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9305 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:49 pm to
Well this has to change year to year, when your defensive line isn't as deep or aggressive. I went back and watched that Dline from 2007 or 08 and they were freakn aggressive as hell and couldn't be contained! I think we need to go bigger on the line and stay small and quick at OLB! Those small DEs just aren't powerful enough for the run Def?? Idk it's not working right now? They are being pushed around! Or we need bigger DTs like Brockers and Logan. We just aren't getting push from the line or hardly any disruption in the back field, I can't say what the problem is at the moment but something needs fixing!! Mayb it's just depth! Put those Frosh bodies in there and tell them stuff the inside nothing more and let the DEs do the rushing! We need to be more aggressive in the front seven PERIOD!!!! We aren't at all right now, or most of the time at least! But when we are aggressive they make big plays, like sending Kwon on those edge blitzes, or Beckwith! We could be much better if we use our personnel just a lil diff!!!
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19689 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:52 pm to
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No, true "prevent" is dropping your linebackers and in our case pulling maybe one or two ends, as we play a 4-3 scheme instead of 3-4, to add a DB or LB into coverage and rushing at most 3. [b]Chavis rarely does that.[/b] Playing the corners off does not mean prevent. You are still rushing 4-6 to try and pressure the QB.


No, on the last Georgia TD drive, we rushed 3. That's prevent.
Posted by jmswp4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
422 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 3:32 pm to
Don't know who the "people" mistaking defense are that you're referring to but I didn't make a mistake. Chavis went to prevent with about six minutes left in the game and didn't get out of it.
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 3:35 pm to
He doesn't trust his personnel and is playing it safe.

Safe doesn't work either. I wish he would turn them loose.
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
5018 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 5:30 pm to
After the first series, and the way the d has been playing this year. It should have been obvious LSU was going to have to get to the QB in order to win the game. We played coverage way to much.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10344 posts
Posted on 10/2/13 at 5:39 pm to
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Chavis has never had an aggressive approach, wtf are you even talking about?


this is true.
he has aggressive moments and even periods, but not an aggressive mentality....he has had some AGGRESSIVE players.

he was fired from TN because of doing what he is now doing at LSU.
we would drop into this passive mode and be humiliated by teams like So. Carolina and Florida.

he lost us the Alabama game doing just that.


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