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Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:33 pm to GeauxDat1207
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We had a team good enough to win one last year,
So did Bama.
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as talent rich (outside of having a true #1 WR this year) on both sides of the ball as we've maybe ever been at LSU.
This is so wrong. You can't be as talent rich as you ever have been when you lose 3 starting OL and your projected number one RB. Mett is not the Mettsiah everyone thought he was going to be. Jamarcus and Flynn were LIGHT YEARS ahead of where Mett is at right now. We also had what, like 3 first round WRs on one team? Buster Davis, Doucet, and Bowe? We are not even close to as talent rich as some of our other offensive teams in the past. Do we have talent? Yes. Do we have enough talent to win it all? Yes. But to say we have as much or more talent than we have ever had on offense is ignorant.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:47 pm to OGTiger
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When the Topic of an OC is Brought Up.....
why are so many on the Rant so quick to criticize?
because no changes being made in the middle of a season
so it's a waste of time to complain about the OC when he's here atleast for the full season
Criticizing is one thing. Calling Stud a fat slob who doesn't know a run from pass etc is just dumb
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:27 pm to OGTiger
Shouldn't have let Gonzalez go....
He should be our OC and Stud should concentrate on OL
He should be our OC and Stud should concentrate on OL
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:43 pm to OGTiger
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Hire and OC.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Miles will only hire a new OC when HIS job is in
jeopardy.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:50 pm to Brbengal
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Miles will only hire a new OC when HIS job is in
jeopardy
We hired a new OC in 2011 after a 11-2 season and Top #8 NR'ing.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:52 pm to Scoob
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Miles, at Oklahoma St, once led Texas 35-7. He lost that game, and Texas ended up scoring over 50 points.
He actually had that happen to him twice against Texas. One time OSU led 35-7 at the half. Texas made adjustments, Miles made none, not even when the game began to slip away. The final score was 56-35.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Someone as competent on the offensive side of the ball as the Chief is on the defensive side would be fine with me.
Well duh.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:15 pm to Scoob
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Scoob
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Ok, context. New offensive coordinator and resulting coaching shuffle. Rough, nasty schedule. Expect to lose a couple games (Oregon, WVU are potential losses). Take your lumps implementing the new system in a rebuilding year. But, look out- we caught lightning in a bottle, and that tough schedule pushed us to the top of the polls. Time to consider scaling back the changes, take advantage of the experience your players have in the old system (which they should be more comfortable running), to win NOW. By the time JJ is back, we're in position to realistically play for the title, only 1 of 2 teams (with Bama) with a clear path. If we lost to Oregon or elsewhere, when JJ returned, we might still be doing the "new" scheme exclusively (even with JJ); instead we're re-inserting parts of Crowton's offense.
So, let me get this straight.
Kevin Sumlin, Mike Leach, Dana Holgorsen, RichRod & even Urban Meyer can install offenses in a single offseason before their first years at a program and still exact Tecmo Bowl offensive numbers...but LSU can't even fully install one with an entire offseason, very little staff fluctuation on offense other than one position, etc?
Sumlin's schedule has included two Top 6 opponents through 6 or 7 games. They also had to face what they thought would be a much tougher Arkansas team. Yet Kingsbury & Co did NOTHING in terms of tweaking the offense.
To top all this off, they even had a Redshirt Freshman Quarterback piloting things the first year.
Yet again I hear that this offense we want to run is evidently so complicated, sophisticated and unique that we couldn't even fully implement it last year?
Color me unconvinced that your theory holds any water.
The coaches I mentioned have come in and rolled like gangbusters and produced on offense, and ours doesn't. Year after year, it doesn't. We've changed coordinators. We've changed quarterbacks. We've recruited allegedly with the best in America.
Yet our offense does not change.
There is one constant, and that constant has a mindset that permeates his staff. It trickles down to the playcalling and obviously the results.
If you are okay with those results, we can agree to disagree. I sincerely appreciate a nuanced response that had some thought behind it, itsead of mindless, bile-fueled drivel like most folks (and that comes out of both sides of this discussion).
Me personally? You can't tell me you can't hire an adequate coach who can bring immediate changes that involve an increased production from the passing game, more balance from your offense, which are allegedly what the one constant in LSU's offensive equation has previously stated he wants .
I disagree. We are what he wants us to be. He doesn't care to change it. We just need to deal with his misunderstood genius as an offensive architect.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:26 pm to OGTiger
bottom line, if we have just an average offense; we are unbeatable. Miles has not fielded an offense since he has been here, gross dereliction of coaching responsibilities.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:31 pm to garryowen
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Miles has not fielded an offense since he has been here
There has been at least one exception: '07 was a very good offense any way you look at it. Only scored less than 27 pts in regulation once and that was with RP at QB vs UTenn in the SECCG.
Also faced a veritable who's who of DCs (Bud Foster, Strong, Muschamp, Saban-Smart, Chavis, and tOSU) and toyed with several of them.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:39 pm to AlwysATgr
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AlwysATgr
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There has been at least one exception: '07 was a very good offense any way you look at it. Only scored less than 27 pts in regulation once and that was with RP at QB vs UTenn in the SECCG.
Also faced a veritable who's who of DCs (Bud Foster, Strong, Muschamp, Saban-Smart, Chavis, and tOSU) and toyed with several of them.
I disagree but based on the fact that Jimbo's offenses in 2005 & 2006 were excellent ones. We beat a Top 10 Miami team hanging 40 on them in the process using our backup QB to end 2005.
In 2006, we destroyed Notre Dame in Jamarcus' swan song.
In 2007, nobody had tape on a combo Miles/Crowton offense that seemingly switched back and forth between aerial attacks using vertical routes and the quick slant and pro-style I-Formation destruction.
Heck, in 2008 we were still a very high-scoring offense. Just that the Defense needed no help in giving up points, and Lee threw them a few too many favors in that department.
2009 & 2010 were ridiculous displays of offensive ineptitude, even averaging 9.5 wins per year. 2011 again is being explained here by the one logical poster who disagrees with me a bit as being a result of the offense-that we now allegedly run-being "too sophisticated" to install all at once so we reverted back.
If this offense is too sophisticated, we should fire Krags & Stud. Yesterday.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:47 pm to GFunk
I think one thing that is overstated, but perhaps underrated is that Les Miles is 3-3 against Nick Saban.
That statement means that Les Miles has beaten Saban with some consistency that no one else in the country has. I think we can all say that Saban is the best coach in the country.
If Oregon plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. If WVU plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. If USC plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. True, we got smashed on 1-9-12 but we've been able to play Bama hard pretty much every other game.
Our goal, every year now, is to beat Bama. We beat Bama and we're in the NC hunt. You don't beat Bama by running a "Techmo Bowl" offense as one guy put it. You beat them by running the ball, playing lights out D and not turning the ball over. That's it. We've played Bama tougher than anyone else in the country. When that starts to change, then I think you'll see change. As long as we have a chance to beat Bama, we'll keep doing what's been working and hope for the best.
That statement means that Les Miles has beaten Saban with some consistency that no one else in the country has. I think we can all say that Saban is the best coach in the country.
If Oregon plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. If WVU plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. If USC plays Bama they get smashed more times than not. True, we got smashed on 1-9-12 but we've been able to play Bama hard pretty much every other game.
Our goal, every year now, is to beat Bama. We beat Bama and we're in the NC hunt. You don't beat Bama by running a "Techmo Bowl" offense as one guy put it. You beat them by running the ball, playing lights out D and not turning the ball over. That's it. We've played Bama tougher than anyone else in the country. When that starts to change, then I think you'll see change. As long as we have a chance to beat Bama, we'll keep doing what's been working and hope for the best.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:56 pm to Goldrush25
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You don't beat Bama by running a "Techmo Bowl" offense as one guy put it. You beat them by running the ball, playing lights out D and not turning the ball over. That's it. We've played Bama tougher than anyone else in the country. When that starts to change, then I think you'll see change. As long as we have a chance to beat Bama, we'll keep doing what's been working and hope for the best.
We beat them last year because of TO's in their red-zone and a very conservative gameplan at home in Tuscaloosa. Saban admitted as much. On top of that, they did not expect Jefferson to go in and play extended minutes like he did. Coupled with some serious breakdowns at the end of each half defending the option, we eeked out with a win.
We deserved it. We played tough, physical, and mostly error-free football, and we beat their arse.
They DOMINATED us using that "formula" you're convinced about on 1/9/12 thinking we could do the same damn thing from the start.
The bottom line is that we can run the ball and be physical, have lights out D, and not turn the ball over and STILL PRODUCE ON OFFENSE.
There is no reason that we HAVE to see the lack of production we're witnessing. This offense is not "what it takes to beat Alabama," folks.
Unbalanced, run-heavy, completely abhorrent passing efficiency is not the key. Those who think so are completely lacking in logic, and any outside observer would have to question your ability to discuss the subject without calling you for said lack of logic.
We aren't going to do to Alabama what we did to A&M & South Carolina. We don't have the horses. We didn't do it-AT FULL STRENGTH-last year.
We werne't going to try to do it last November, either. Because we started Lee and were throwing the ball fairly often before he got pulled.
So telling me that what we did once he got sat was somehow the "formula" is ignoring that our coaches only went to that once Lee imploded.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 6:06 pm to OGTiger
In the 6 meeting between Miles and Saban,Bama has only managed to out rush us twice.The only time they shut down our running game was Jan 9th,so I don't think they will shut us down this year either
Posted on 10/25/12 at 8:05 pm to Scoob
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A&M did it with a good offensive line intact instead of a bunch of backups. We controlled them from the 2nd quarter on. That offense would render Hilliard and Copeland useless, Ware and Hill to average status, and risk tiring out our defense with a bunch of 3 and out possessions. We'd get caught up in shootouts. And besides that, we don't have a QB to run that system.
What a load! We had a full oline at the beginning of the season. Total horse shite. Same bullshite offense.
One has nothing to do with the other. They had 400+ yards against us with A FRESHMEN QB.
The point is they installed a totally new offense.
At the start of the season our offensive line was our strength. We saw nothing new when we were down just 1 starter.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 8:09 pm to GFunk
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GFunk
I disagree . . .
First, let me say I appreciate your posts in this thread.
In my response to the previous poster I was just making the point that at least 1 offense under Les was great. My issue with '06 was 3 pts vs AU and 10 pts vs UF. Later on that year we got it going.
And I agree you about '08. Apart from the OM game, we scored what should have been enough to win every game. Heck, we even scored more on UF at the Swamp than did Bama in the SECCG or OU in the BCSCG.
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