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re: What will it take for LSU to get another Heisman Trophy?

Posted on 7/19/08 at 2:26 am to
Posted by LAballin
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/19/08 at 2:26 am to
Easy. Start J. Lee.
Posted by Al Bundy
Member since Nov 2004
7278 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 2:30 am to
a non running back by committee running back approach

I'd much rather national championships
Posted by truckintiger
Marianna, Fl.
Member since Feb 2008
149 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 9:09 am to
I thought Wendell Davis should have won it. If he was playing in the little 10 or Pac 10, he would have.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 9:16 am to
More National Champions! :rimshot:
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4167 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 10:53 am to
Agree that Championships are more important than individual awards. With that said, if Chad Jones were given the opportunity to have a Woodsen type year and racked up both INTs and TDs as a DB and yards and TDS as a return man and at WR, he would be considered. It would also have to be a down year across the league where there wasn't a clear-cut group of favorites like Tebow, Moreno or White.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94666 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:14 pm to
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Kevin Faulk was no slacker...........



You beat me to it. As an all-purpose back, Kevin Faulk has few peers in SEC history.

People also forget that we had Heisman candidates in Charles Alexander and Tommy Hodson. Jamarcus Russell would have had a shot in 2007, as others have mentioned.

Josh Reed should have been given more Heisman consideration. If any WR can get it, he had a year that warranted it.

Posted by tigerdmb
NOLA
Member since Oct 2007
1051 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:32 pm to
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Heisman-winning performance from any individual offensive player is most likely going to bode ill for an SEC team with National Championship aspirations. It would take a truly rare specimen to be able to dominate that completely in a consistently successful offense in this league.


I agree that the media/voters are SEC haters(like you said...only 4 SEC winners in 36 years)

Perfect example --> D.McFadden...could you make a better arguement for a truly rare specimen to basically carry his team's entire offense?? I know he got the invite, but he never got the hardware!!
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33118 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:33 pm to
If shep developes into the passer we all hope he will. he might seduce the media into paying attention.

Geaux Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:43 pm to
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If shep developes into the passer we all hope he will. he might seduce the media into paying attention.


I don't disagree with that. A 20 TD passes/20 TDs rushing is now a benchmark for a Heisman campaign, and by a sophomore, no less. We know he could easily score 20 TDs as a run first TD in the SEC. The 20 passing under Crowton's offense is certainly possible, if Shep develops into a legitimate mid-range passing threat (which will also open up the running game, if opposing defenses have to worry about conventional runs, QB runs AND a real passing attack, like Texas with VY, or Florida with Tebow.)



Posted by Nero
G-Town
Member since Oct 2007
281 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:47 pm to
Shepard (will) = Heisman

Posted by tigers
Monroe
Member since Jan 2004
1085 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 1:02 pm to
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I agree that the media/voters are SEC haters(like you said...only 4 SEC winners in 36 years)

Perfect example --> D.McFadden...could you make a better arguement for a truly rare specimen to basically carry his team's entire offense?? I know he got the invite, but he never got the hardware!!


Yea, perfect example since he lost out to....an SEC quarterback.
Posted by tigerdmb
NOLA
Member since Oct 2007
1051 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 1:47 pm to
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Yea, perfect example since he lost out to....an SEC quarterback.


And the year before?
Posted by tigers
Monroe
Member since Jan 2004
1085 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 1:56 pm to
He lost to the quarterback from the undefeated #1 team in the country (at the time) who threw for 30 touchdowns and 6 intereceptions. Now there would be a good argument if the award was after the bowl season, but it's not.

With that said, I don't understand your point. There was bias is 2006 but not 2007?
Posted by tigerdmb
NOLA
Member since Oct 2007
1051 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 2:00 pm to
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There was bias is 2006 but not 2007?


What I was saying is that I agree with the bias over the past 30+ years of the SEC...2006 is just a great example...

Nonetheless...just forget it...this thread is dead anyway...
Posted by Alex Box Lives On
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
578 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:34 pm to
Ryan Anders will be the next!!!!
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Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:37 pm to
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What will it take for LSU to get another Heisman Trophy?


Frankly Hell to freeze over. If Manning & McFadden aren't good enough for the Piesman than who in the world could be? Anyone seen Jason White in the NFL? What a player!!!!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464952 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:42 pm to
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JR would have been this guy his senior year.

JR was the best QB in CFB in 2006, and the heisman trophy winner was a QB, so 2006 coulda been the year
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464952 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:43 pm to
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a non running back by committee running back approach

I'd much rather national championships

we didn't use RBBC last year and won the title
Posted by Alex Box Lives On
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
578 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:45 pm to
Good point SlowFlowPro!
JR was a hell of an athlete! I wonder what he would have done with all of the skill we had last year!!
Man it is good to a tiger, Heisman, or no Heisman!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
94666 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 8:12 pm to
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JR was the best QB in CFB in 2006, and the heisman trophy winner was a QB, so 2006 coulda been the year



A lot of truth in that. The usual pattern of Setup year, then Heisman year didn't work out. That illustrates the problem with the Heisman popularity contest.

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