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re: what will CLM have to do to regain your respect?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:52 pm to geauxaddai
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:52 pm to geauxaddai
quote:I don't know if "repect" is the right word for my feelings toward CLM. I appreciate him as a coach and person most of the time, but not all of the time. He often does idiot savant things as a coach that makes me think he's brilliant. Then he'll turn around and pull a game like the second Bama debacle and I'm not sure he's even on the same planet. Do I disrespect him? No. But do I always respect his coaching and communication skills? No, and mostly because he sometimes seems so absolutely random and without any kind of real direction. And I do not understand his stubborn refusal to speak clearly or answer direct questions, and his determination to play JJ regardless of the reality unfolding before all our eyes.
I don't know if he can really do anything about it. I really think a lot of the frustration in the fan base is Les Miles' astounding lack of consistency (whether it be his press comments on QBs, his "want" to use Shepard more, his refusal to see things clearly), and his obscure communication skills.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:53 pm to 756
After the complete meltdown in the last week, I don't know, resign.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:54 pm to 756
quote:If he doesn't own a time machine, there is no fixing the complete fricking he applied to JL after Bama 1.
what will CLM have to do to regain your respect?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:56 pm to Gray Tiger
Hey douchebag where you at the game ? Did you pay 1,500 a ticket like I did? My goddam
Lic plate says Lsu fan, literally dont question if i am fan. I just feel we deserve better than this. There isn't an excuse in the world for that performance in that game. No emotion no heart. Take those championship effort t shirts off and burn them, that's what I would have done. And I am
Clearly not the only person pissed off. I am a loyal fan but for those of us who work hard for our money we expect a quality product on the field. Miles clearly left the offense alone all season, that's why they were successful. With 37 days he felt obligated to get his hands in the game planning and screwed it all up. He doesn't have a clue how to gameplan!
Lic plate says Lsu fan, literally dont question if i am fan. I just feel we deserve better than this. There isn't an excuse in the world for that performance in that game. No emotion no heart. Take those championship effort t shirts off and burn them, that's what I would have done. And I am
Clearly not the only person pissed off. I am a loyal fan but for those of us who work hard for our money we expect a quality product on the field. Miles clearly left the offense alone all season, that's why they were successful. With 37 days he felt obligated to get his hands in the game planning and screwed it all up. He doesn't have a clue how to gameplan!
This post was edited on 1/16/12 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 1/16/12 at 5:58 pm to 756
quote:
what will CLM have to do to regain your respect?
14-0 baby!
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:00 pm to ELVIS U
For many on this board, what happened in the BCS game was inexplicable.
I don't think I've ever seen that type of game before between good teams at any level above high school.
Folks have resorted to speculation, rumor, conspiracies and psych profiles to try to understand what Miles was doing.
That there was a loss of respect for him for his performance on a very big, important stage should surprise no one.
Does ANYONE believe his coaching that nite helped his reputation? The program?
I don't think I've ever seen that type of game before between good teams at any level above high school.
Folks have resorted to speculation, rumor, conspiracies and psych profiles to try to understand what Miles was doing.
That there was a loss of respect for him for his performance on a very big, important stage should surprise no one.
Does ANYONE believe his coaching that nite helped his reputation? The program?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:06 pm to 756
For a certain sect of posters, it doesn't matter what he does. At the slightest misstep, they'll just hate him all over again.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:07 pm to 756
He has my respect. He lost my trust. I'll now always worry about the chance of a 2011 BCS Championship level bed shitting repeating itself.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:07 pm to OBUDan
it took more than a mis step for me- the BCS was not that it was a step off the cliff
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:09 pm to hondapa26
He exhibited incredibly poor judgment and offensive game planning by removing Lee and sticking to his original mindset of JJ as his QB, thereby derailing the productive offense we had in the first 8 games and ultimately costing us a national championship.
He has shown a reliable penchant for this poor judgment in key moments in multiple games.
His offensive philosophy and the re-installation of JJ was an utter failure that he never adapted. It is safe to presume that if JJ had never been arrested Miles would have never changed at all.
But it is his treatment of his player Lee that will leave Miles forever tainted in my point of view. I believe he was dishonest and showed poor character. I always doubted Miles' coaching abilities in terms of game planning, fundamentals, etc, but I always maintained a respect for him in that I believed he was a standup guy who treated his players well and with respect. I no longer believe this.
So, he cannot regain my respect. I no longer respect him. I think he is a fairly good coach with a strong competitiveness and amiability that makes it easy for people to like him. But I no longer think highly of him.
He has shown a reliable penchant for this poor judgment in key moments in multiple games.
His offensive philosophy and the re-installation of JJ was an utter failure that he never adapted. It is safe to presume that if JJ had never been arrested Miles would have never changed at all.
But it is his treatment of his player Lee that will leave Miles forever tainted in my point of view. I believe he was dishonest and showed poor character. I always doubted Miles' coaching abilities in terms of game planning, fundamentals, etc, but I always maintained a respect for him in that I believed he was a standup guy who treated his players well and with respect. I no longer believe this.
So, he cannot regain my respect. I no longer respect him. I think he is a fairly good coach with a strong competitiveness and amiability that makes it easy for people to like him. But I no longer think highly of him.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:12 pm to GABlueDog
another good post if only CLM would read them
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:13 pm to nitwit
You know, with all honesty, getting beat by Alabama in the National Championship game I CAN TAKE. Getting beat 21-0 by Alabama in the National Championship game I CAN TAKE as well.
Getting beat 21-0 by Alabama in the National Championship game when you make no adjustments to your offense at all throughout the game, still have Lee on the bench when you look over at the face of your starting quarterback and see nothing but mass confusion on his face the entire game and no production whatsoever and do NOTHING to attempt to remedy that and TRY something different to spark life into your offense I CANNOT TAKE...
And that, as far as I can tell, is what rubs most people the wrong way about all of this. I really don't know what Miles was thinking was going to happen in the middle of the 3rd or even beginning of the 4th quarter at worst. WHO in the world can say they looked at the face of Jordon Jefferson in the second half, the score board, and the fact we couldn't seem to get past the 50 yard line and said they had confidence in Jordon Jefferson or the game plan to get something going on offense?
Hell, at worst airing it out would be a punt or a pick six by Lee, at best perhaps some points of the freaking score board. Who cares when you're behind 15-0 and then 21-0? AIR THE frickING BALL. I mean DO SOMETHING, but don't just sit there waiting on Harry Potter and his magic spell to come and save us.
Getting beat 21-0 by Alabama in the National Championship game when you make no adjustments to your offense at all throughout the game, still have Lee on the bench when you look over at the face of your starting quarterback and see nothing but mass confusion on his face the entire game and no production whatsoever and do NOTHING to attempt to remedy that and TRY something different to spark life into your offense I CANNOT TAKE...
And that, as far as I can tell, is what rubs most people the wrong way about all of this. I really don't know what Miles was thinking was going to happen in the middle of the 3rd or even beginning of the 4th quarter at worst. WHO in the world can say they looked at the face of Jordon Jefferson in the second half, the score board, and the fact we couldn't seem to get past the 50 yard line and said they had confidence in Jordon Jefferson or the game plan to get something going on offense?
Hell, at worst airing it out would be a punt or a pick six by Lee, at best perhaps some points of the freaking score board. Who cares when you're behind 15-0 and then 21-0? AIR THE frickING BALL. I mean DO SOMETHING, but don't just sit there waiting on Harry Potter and his magic spell to come and save us.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:14 pm to 756
If the winningest coach in LSU history, doesn't have your respect already, you don't deserve to be a LSU fan
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:14 pm to Mike da Tigah
Go to Michigan (or anywhere but LSU)
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:15 pm to 756
If he indeed has a hand in the offense personnel and play calling, he needs to stay the HELL out and let his coaches do their job. AND not make promises like he did to JJ.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
oh give me a break
rickdaddy

This post was edited on 1/16/12 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:17 pm to GABlueDog
quote:
But it is his treatment of his player Lee that will leave Miles forever tainted in my point of view. I believe he was dishonest and showed poor character. I always doubted Miles' coaching abilities in terms of game planning, fundamentals, etc, but I always maintained a respect for him in that I believed he was a standup guy who treated his players well and with respect. I no longer believe this.
So, he cannot regain my respect. I no longer respect him. I think he is a fairly good coach with a strong competitiveness and amiability that makes it easy for people to like him. But I no longer think highly of him.

Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:17 pm to GABlueDog
quote:
He exhibited incredibly poor judgment and offensive game planning by removing Lee and sticking to his original mindset of JJ as his QB, thereby derailing the productive offense we had in the first 8 games and ultimately costing us a national championship.
He has shown a reliable penchant for this poor judgment in key moments in multiple games.
His offensive philosophy and the re-installation of JJ was an utter failure that he never adapted. It is safe to presume that if JJ had never been arrested Miles would have never changed at all.
But it is his treatment of his player Lee that will leave Miles forever tainted in my point of view. I believe he was dishonest and showed poor character. I always doubted Miles' coaching abilities in terms of game planning, fundamentals, etc, but I always maintained a respect for him in that I believed he was a standup guy who treated his players well and with respect. I no longer believe this.
So, he cannot regain my respect. I no longer respect him. I think he is a fairly good coach with a strong competitiveness and amiability that makes it easy for people to like him. But I no longer think highly of him.
You just said my thoughts exactly. Like a lot of y'all, the season was a dream season of FUN Tiger football. They won games not by the skin of their teeth, but like a team deserving to shoulder the burden of being ranked #1.
Then, the SEC Champ game came along. And something changed. Not playing Lee until the last kneel was both baffling and disrespectful. A serious WTF? moment.
The the BCS CG nightmare followed, and he really lost me. I used to defend Miles as a honorable guy although a quirky coach. Now, my respect for him as an honorable guy is gone.
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