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re: What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:55 pm to nola000
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:55 pm to nola000
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That's how guys like Mike Leach and Chris Petersen you're able to beat four and five star teams with their two and three star teams.
1. Washington is made up of 2 & 3 star players?
2. What 4-5 star teams have these guys beaten?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:00 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
When you make comments like 11 and 1 is as low as you will accept. The rest of us quit listening/reading your comments
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:09 pm to mhc4tigers
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When you make comments like 11 and 1 is as low as you will accept. The rest of us quit listening/reading your comments
I mean, 11-1 is the lowest anyone should really expect next year.
Is 10-2 fireable? Nah, probably not, but 11-1 is absolutely the expectation next year.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:10 pm to slackster
11-2 will never get a coach fired
10-3 is hard too.
But 9-4
10-3
10-3
10-3....
What do you do?
10-3 is hard too.
But 9-4
10-3
10-3
10-3....
What do you do?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:14 pm to GumboPot
I have no beef with the overall offense it seems to be getting better. I just want to see better red zone execution and more of the medium range throws caught by the WRs.
They constantly have good looking drives then stall out once they get into FG range and settle for a FG. It’s no coincidence that Tracy has the most FGs made in a season or whatever stat it was.
They constantly have good looking drives then stall out once they get into FG range and settle for a FG. It’s no coincidence that Tracy has the most FGs made in a season or whatever stat it was.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:17 pm to mhc4tigers
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When you make comments like 11 and 1 is as low as you will accept.
Why? If you can not expect 11-1, then why the hell did we get rid of Miles?
The talent, depth and schedule come together next year for a really great season. LSU will be favored to win every game, except Bama. Why should we expect any less?
I didn't expect 11-1 this season. Nothing suggested 11-1 was possible. Finishing with 10 wins this season was great, considering the circumstances.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:25 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Exactly. Before O was hired the lack of offensive production was solely about scheme and offensive execution was a direct reflection of shite coaching. Now the lack of offensive production is talent and offensive execution is up to the players.

Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:30 pm to GumboPot
0 points vs Bama for the 2nd time in a row at home
59th in country in total offense, 9th in SEC
59th in country in total offense, 9th in SEC
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:37 pm to GumboPot
Specifically? Our offensive line play stinks, & i blame that situation on recruiting, not on offensive strategy specifically. But what i do blame on "Os offense" is how we respond to having a bad offensive line.
We run max protect on called pass plays, and force the tight end to block(instead of acting like a receiver
except for about 10 plays total all season long). Then to further complicate it, we send the other 2 receivers deep (because of course we only run a two receiver set with the intention of only throwing to 1). The issue with that is the play takes a long time to develop. When you have a busted O line, you don't have that time. Which means that your QB runs out of time to throw the ball because the pocket is collapsing, or is throwing the ball under pressure, which leads to bad decisions and inaccurate passes.
Look, the offensive line cant block, that was a fact all season. Adjust! Not every pass needs to be 20 or 30 yard attempts especially not on 1st or 2nd down. Joe's completion percentage is sky high on passes of 10 yards or less. And beauty is short passes take less time to develop.
If you want to sweeten the plot, consider, Joe is a running QB. If the receiver #1 is not open, you can dump it to the tight end who would in theory be open. You can hand it off to the RB (who is literally standing next the the QB blocking) or you can keep the ball and run for 5 yards. (Oh wait that is a triple option, we cant do that, that is what BAMA runs and lord knows that doesn't work.)
Instead, we run predictable run plays with Nick or Clyde or we try to throw to receivers who are running 20-30 yard routes.
Hey you know those 5 guys on the D line, ask the tight end to just slip behind them and tell Joe to throw the ball over their heads and have Foster catch it while no one is covering him.
Sorry Gumbo, but when I watch the film from, for example, the bowl game, what I see is obvious. Take he pick 6, how far out was the receiver on that play. Go back and watch the receiver routes after that play. They shortend up, a bunch. In fact, some of the best pass plays we had were on little 5 and 8 yard routes.
Go back and look at the ole miss game, same thing, abandoned the max protect, ran shorter pass plays and had a lot of success.
I'm not saying that will work against BAMA. That game is won in the trenches, and on the O line our trenches are empty. But where it will work is the Rice, SLU, and Arkansas, in addition to the UCF and Ole Miss games. Had we function logically in those games, on offense, people would have had a more positive perspective on the offense as a whole, because you are supposed to struggle against the other teams on the schedule.
It sounds complicated but the UCFs, and the Utah St., and the Houstons, and the Baylors, and the TCUs, and the Louivilles, and the Kentuckys and the Missouris of this world can figure it out. But for some reason we can't. Those teams dump a boat load of points on opponents week in and week out and don't have half the talent LSU has at the line.
Now, if he wants to run max protect, that is fine. It is unnecessary in 6 games a year, but if we do then we need to get better players on the O line, or teach the players who you have how to block or be prepared to hear people complain about it.
We run max protect on called pass plays, and force the tight end to block(instead of acting like a receiver
except for about 10 plays total all season long). Then to further complicate it, we send the other 2 receivers deep (because of course we only run a two receiver set with the intention of only throwing to 1). The issue with that is the play takes a long time to develop. When you have a busted O line, you don't have that time. Which means that your QB runs out of time to throw the ball because the pocket is collapsing, or is throwing the ball under pressure, which leads to bad decisions and inaccurate passes.
Look, the offensive line cant block, that was a fact all season. Adjust! Not every pass needs to be 20 or 30 yard attempts especially not on 1st or 2nd down. Joe's completion percentage is sky high on passes of 10 yards or less. And beauty is short passes take less time to develop.
If you want to sweeten the plot, consider, Joe is a running QB. If the receiver #1 is not open, you can dump it to the tight end who would in theory be open. You can hand it off to the RB (who is literally standing next the the QB blocking) or you can keep the ball and run for 5 yards. (Oh wait that is a triple option, we cant do that, that is what BAMA runs and lord knows that doesn't work.)
Instead, we run predictable run plays with Nick or Clyde or we try to throw to receivers who are running 20-30 yard routes.
Hey you know those 5 guys on the D line, ask the tight end to just slip behind them and tell Joe to throw the ball over their heads and have Foster catch it while no one is covering him.
Sorry Gumbo, but when I watch the film from, for example, the bowl game, what I see is obvious. Take he pick 6, how far out was the receiver on that play. Go back and watch the receiver routes after that play. They shortend up, a bunch. In fact, some of the best pass plays we had were on little 5 and 8 yard routes.
Go back and look at the ole miss game, same thing, abandoned the max protect, ran shorter pass plays and had a lot of success.
I'm not saying that will work against BAMA. That game is won in the trenches, and on the O line our trenches are empty. But where it will work is the Rice, SLU, and Arkansas, in addition to the UCF and Ole Miss games. Had we function logically in those games, on offense, people would have had a more positive perspective on the offense as a whole, because you are supposed to struggle against the other teams on the schedule.
It sounds complicated but the UCFs, and the Utah St., and the Houstons, and the Baylors, and the TCUs, and the Louivilles, and the Kentuckys and the Missouris of this world can figure it out. But for some reason we can't. Those teams dump a boat load of points on opponents week in and week out and don't have half the talent LSU has at the line.
Now, if he wants to run max protect, that is fine. It is unnecessary in 6 games a year, but if we do then we need to get better players on the O line, or teach the players who you have how to block or be prepared to hear people complain about it.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:45 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Finishing with 10 wins this season was great, considering the circumstances.
I agree. I just think that A&M game was in the bag then bullshite happened and it slipped away. It was a hell of a year in my book. Winning the A&M game would still have put LSU in the Fiesta bowl though.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:59 pm to GumboPot
quote:We had one of the worst passing games in the nation this season.
. I have to say, I don't have an issue with it. It works
It works?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:14 pm to GFunk
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Ensminger showed me nothing that supports the idea that he should remain OC.
I agree with you. Having E (and Eddy) will prevent the program from being elite. I do not want to see failure, but that is what it will take to get rid of the current management including the AD and anyone who was involved in hiring him. Top programs do not do things this way.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:27 pm to AlxTgr
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Oh, and congrats on the dumbest thing I've read all day.
You misapprehend the meaning of dumb. Answer the questions or I must assume that you agree with me. How is team discipline not part and parcel of coaching? It is all coaching from soup to nuts. Unless LSU develops a credible offense it will be more struggling against lower schools ala Fiesta Bowl and losses to teams like 2018 UF. You satisfied with that? I cannot tell if the players lack sufficient talent because they ARE SO POORLY PREPARED come game time! How can the Citadel score on the gumps but LSU cannot? Is it your position that the Citadel has a more talented offense than that of LSU? Maybe the gumps just let them score to make LSU look that much more inept. That's it...
Your opinions are ignorant and/or stupid.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:36 pm to GumboPot
1) conservative playcalling in the RZ
2) bad route combos along with wrong personnel to create mismatches
3) max protect mentality; you combat blitz problems with quick hit routes(2-3 step slants/drags), screens to the wr's (bubbles,slips) not the rb's, times throws against man blitzes(go routes, fades and back shoulder throws)
4) this may not seem relevant but it totally is, bad/non-prototype OT's which limited SE's playbook in the passing game.
5) lack of use of TE in passing game, Pettigrew can light it up next year if they make him an integral part of the offense. He can be like sternberger at aTm.
2) bad route combos along with wrong personnel to create mismatches
3) max protect mentality; you combat blitz problems with quick hit routes(2-3 step slants/drags), screens to the wr's (bubbles,slips) not the rb's, times throws against man blitzes(go routes, fades and back shoulder throws)
4) this may not seem relevant but it totally is, bad/non-prototype OT's which limited SE's playbook in the passing game.
5) lack of use of TE in passing game, Pettigrew can light it up next year if they make him an integral part of the offense. He can be like sternberger at aTm.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:53 pm to mhc4tigers
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When you make comments like 11 and 1 is as low as you will accept. The rest of us quit listening/reading your comments
I've heard multiple people say they expect playoffs. We're not getting there with 2 losses.
Plus I've seen people say that they don't see a loss on the schedule outside of Bama. I think holding the expectation to 11-1 is reasonable.
You guys can't have it both ways. Do you expect playoffs or not?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:04 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Nearly every statistical category was near the bottom of both the SEC, and the nation.
7th in SEC in scoring
9th in yards
38th in the nation in scoring
67 in passing
69 in total offense
We weren't near the bottom but just mediocre which we should be better
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:18 pm to GumboPot
People evaluate plays myopically...but coaches are setting up and disguising tendencies for use as the game progresses...and with the endurance game in mind.
Our two Tackles Ave very slow first steps, and are Vanderbilt level talent, leaving Burrow a sitting duck too often.
It is an "integrated process".
If they run off the guard on first and second down too often, it might be more about setting up other plays later than about appeasing an ADHD fan.
Our two Tackles Ave very slow first steps, and are Vanderbilt level talent, leaving Burrow a sitting duck too often.
It is an "integrated process".
If they run off the guard on first and second down too often, it might be more about setting up other plays later than about appeasing an ADHD fan.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:20 pm to TigerBert
Yeah we do a great job disguising tendencies. Which is why Alabama blew up every screen re ran on third and long after a few sacks.
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