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re: What is the intent of NIL?

Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:34 am to
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:34 am to
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Can you tell me which company Young is making money for?


Do you know what a red herring is?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55632 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:36 am to
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Is it not to pay for misc. expenses during college years many players do NOT have access to from their parents?


No, it is not
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:41 am to
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Is it not to pay for misc. expenses during college years many players do NOT have access to from their parents?
Doesn’t the same apply to the trombone player?
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:42 am to
Share the cfb wealth
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:50 am to
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Do you know what a red herring is?


They serve a purpose.

And proves my point...

Ya don't know...
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:53 am to
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Doesn’t the same apply to the trombone player?


Correct...

But ESPN has argued players should get paid...for the product= players produce revenue

Ain't no band in the pros...

In part why college is more popular or enjoyable...
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:54 am to
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The sad part is people think that Louisiana “businesses” can compete with the $ in Texas


Correct
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:56 am to
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No, it is not


So it's just retirement money...

Fixing that gap in generational wealth

Gotcha
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:58 am to
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So? There are unintended consequences with many rules regarding college football and recruiting. LSU getting caught flat footed this year doesn’t mean that they won’t adjust.


You do realize that you have argued that a player making money is independent of his relationship relationship to the University.

Then you point out LSU is behind in this NIL game which implies the University can instruct local businesses to raise money to get players which is exactly what I've been saying is the problem in this whole conversation...thats not the intent!!!!
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 8:01 am
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55632 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:00 am to
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So it's just retirement money...

Fixing that gap in generational wealth

Gotcha



The intent isnt directed towards what it should be spend on. You don't have to like it but that was and is not the intent. The intent is to allow athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness since the universities and NCAA does. Thats it...thats the intent.
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 8:07 am
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:04 am to
The intent of NIL should Be to allow student athletes to make some side hustle if businesses are willing to pay them independent of University interest... but we all know that this is all tied to enticing star players to universities.

Not only is it unintended consequences it's just blatant corruption...

Paying players to come to a University still should be illegal and frowned upon big time...

Again these are students not employees
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55632 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:08 am to
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The intent of NIL should Be


You're arguing what is vs what YOU think it should be. If you want to push for change, do so, but you can't convince people something isn't what it is just because you don't like it.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13237 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:08 am to
Corporations taking control of all entertainment.
That is all!
NBA check
NFL check
NCAA check
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:17 am to
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The intent isnt directed towards what it should be spend on. You don't have to like it but that was and is not the intent. The intent is to allow athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness since the universities and NCAA does. Thats it...thats th


Well the last time I checked football programs helped fund the entire University to survive and make ends meet... there is not extra money laying around for the president of LSU to play with to remodel buildings etc...

All the other Athletics most of them don't make a dime...some lose money and they need football... because America loves football which helps pay for all of it.

LSU is a public institution funded by the taxpayers...

Why do people here seem to not appreciate the fact that we're talking about universities ...

universities exist for higher learning not for football.

As it is in order to pay coaches these enormous salaries... which comes from the support of the alumni.

Alumni who got an education from LSU went out into the workforce busted their tail and made a lot of money...paid taxes... And then because of their love for LSU are willing to write checks...


So this new game now puts athletic directors in the position of not only asking their alumni to support the enormous salaries in the current marketplace but to now come up with more millions of dollars to now pay the players...????

"LSU is behind in NIL game"

ESPN and the NCAA are not sharing revenues...all of this it's put all local businesses who are paying a lot of taxes employing a lot of people and sending checks because of their love of University....


Unversity = Higher learning = wealthy boosters



Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:20 am to
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You're arguing what is vs what YOU think it should be. If you want to push for change, do so, but you can't convince people something isn't what it is just because you don't like it.



I don't like it because we're not talking about sharing revenues we're talking about local businesses coughing up money to help get players on campus...

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37692 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:22 am to
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quote:

Do you know what a red herring is?



They serve a purpose.




So a logical fallacy serves a purpose?

quote:

And proves my point...

Ya don't know...


Your point was something I already admitted that has no bearing on anything? Got it.

Of course you don't know either, I take it, since you didn't answer my question. Tell me what you know about said deal.

Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:23 am to
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Corporations taking control of all entertainment.
That is all!
NBA check
NFL check
NCAA check


Fans like sports...

Americans have always shown they are willing to pay a lot of money to be entertained
Posted by Fightin Okra
Member since Nov 2016
5931 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:28 am to
Just like a lot of these student athletes would not have an opportunity to go to college then get a decent job or even turn pro without the NCAA, universities, scholarships, etc. Soon, the only “real” college football as I grew up with will be the service academies.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
43008 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:30 am to
You are talking in circles. Yes, ESPN does share some of that wealth. That is why LSU makes so much money off of athletics that they can then go and help pay for other things for the University. But guess what, that is due to the quality of players in the SEC as a whole. McNeese state and their conference doesn’t have the same quality of players thus the much smaller tv deals (if any).
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 8:32 am
Posted by PhishyTiger
Collierville
Member since Jul 2016
186 posts
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:30 am to
I’ll assume you’re in agreement with the remainder of the reply. So that means you have no reason to draw a distinction as to why coaches can get paid high salaries and players have to stick to payment in the form of “pure love of the game.” With that in mind:

quote:

You do realize that you have argued that a player making money is independent of his relationship relationship to the University.


No I didn’t. I said your viewing NIL as an “athlete vs. school” (or, chicken vs. egg) issue isn’t correct. LSU wouldn’t be marketable if they recruited only ULM type players. And players wouldn’t come to LSU if it was ULM caliber. There is no basis to say that the helmet or last name is the sole cause of marketability.

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Then you point out LSU is behind in this NIL game which implies the University can instruct local businesses to raise money to get players which is exactly what I've been saying is the problem in this whole conversation...thats not the intent!!!!


I’m unaware of LSU being able to tell anyone to provide it money (outside of student of loans, but even that likely isn’t from the university). There is no reason why LSU can’t help facilitate NIL deals for their players and recruits as other schools have done. LSU (and other universities) can and do use their relationships to place students in all sorts of career advancement opportunities, including those that can earn people money while they’re in school. NIL doesn’t have to be different, regardless of the “intent” you want to assign it.
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