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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:03 pm to death valley driver
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:03 pm to death valley driver
quote:Please tell me how this is relevant. If the guys play well for us and we win, what does it matter to LSU that their times are a little down in the combine?
seriously, is anybody watching the combine? all of these guys like tyson jackson, ali highsmith and shite run 4.6s and 4.7s coming out of high school and by the time they leave here they're slower than a jay roth special teams unit. not to mention how he failed the dorsasaurus last year
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
slowflow quit showing how dumb you are Stephen Peterman was seriously injured his rookie year and is now back to his self and just signed a big 5 year deal. Bradie James is doing very well. Chad L. blew up when got out of moffits system he just put on to much weight. Trev Faulk got a bad rep while he was in the NFL and Glenn Dorsey was not a bust he was injured every point you have made makes you look dumb
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well, we do have more National Championships than all of them put together.
32 NFL teams rely on the combine, but yea, LSU knows better
quote:And we have two National Titles in the last 6 years. They've had one in the last, what, 36 years?
LSU has had its share of busts
OSU has had much more NFL success the past 10-15 years
LSU is not an NFL farm system. Our coaches are supposed to be working to win college football games. To the extent NFL preparation helps that, great. To the extent we are winning games and being successful, it does not matter in the least. Judging from our latest recruiting class, whatever shortcomings our program may have in NFL preparation obviously isn't hurting our ability to draw talent. So why, exactly, should anyone give a rat's arse about the performances at the combines?
But, sure, let's revamp our entire coaching system and throw away our success as a college team so some message board types can pump their chests about some former players' 40 times at the combine.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:04 pm to LSU3
quote:
Trev Faulk got a bad rep while he was in the NFL
say what?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:04 pm to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
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i think it has more to do with is these guys are local and people see and read abou them everyday as recruits and freshman and expect them to be all world. maybe they put their support behind them and tell thier buddies "so and so is going to be the best ever at LSU."
to an extent, this is true (outside of the guys people hate like JR or the guys people love no matter what like clayton or dorsey)
but we don't show as well as other big schools like texas, ohio state, miami, etc usually
i still don't know why. it may be moffit, but it may be our talent level just not being the best
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:04 pm to death valley driver
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:05 pm to death valley driver
quote:
do you just make shite up as you go along?
you are a fricking idiot. did you ever play or coach high school football? the kids/coaches lie/cheat on the 40 times and im sure people on here can attest to it. i times kids at hannan high two years ago and the coach told us to be quick on the watch. the coach also purposely didn't stand by the starting line so the kids could cheat up. GTFO dumbass. you have no clue how shite works and it is obvious from your posts.
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:05 pm to stompinleo
quote:
its not just your opinion...its a fact! his programs are in place all over the country. He is very well respected in the strength and conditioning community! not an opinion a fact!
Don't even bother trying to explain to these retards that he is nationally recognized for his strength building programs. These idiots have never been involved in a sports program that actually has a strength coach so they don't know shite. I have used Moffitts program through high school and when I played in college. These are the idiots that go to the gym and work only on bench press and biceps and couldn't name 10 strength building and footwork exercises. Curls for the girls, right?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:06 pm to otowntiger
quote:
Please tell me how this is relevant. If the guys play well for us and we win, what does it matter to LSU that their times are a little down in the combine?
2 comments about why this is/may be important
1. if the NFL uses the times, then they obviously have some merit in judging athleticism
2. having guys get drafted highly is the #1 way to get national acclaim. i know most will say winning titles, but saying "i'll get you drafted in the first round" works better with most recruits. that and early PT are what most look for
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
mario williams, tank williams, tommie harris
I am assuming you mean Tank Johnson, as opposed to the Patriots safety.
Perfect. You just named two All-Pro defensive lineman and another guy who has All-Pro talent but gets in too much trouble off the field. Clearly 295 pound d-linemen who run the 40 in 4.75 are not that common, and I don't think anyone would compare Tyson's talent to these three players.
For the record though, Tommie Harris is listed as running a 5.03 40 according to this link Tommie Harris-SI
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:07 pm to roscoethetiger
youre probably right, LSU doesnt believe in the simple bench press
and nobody gives a rats frick that you did moffits system...all i care about is constantly seeing explosive players being bulked up and slowed down
then sucking at the combine
keiland williams used to be a dynamic playmaker...now, he's not
and nobody gives a rats frick that you did moffits system...all i care about is constantly seeing explosive players being bulked up and slowed down
then sucking at the combine
keiland williams used to be a dynamic playmaker...now, he's not
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
peterman is starting now i think
For the Lions...I know you're better than that
Come on, you and I both know Trev Faulk had no business in the NFL....was Moffit even here the entire time Faulk was?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:08 pm to LSU3
quote:
Stephen Peterman was seriously injured his rookie year and is now back to his self and just signed a big 5 year deal.
he took forever to get physically strong enough to play OL in the NFL
quote:
Bradie James is doing very well.
bill parcells called him out by name and said he had to "take a redshirt" because he was so weak
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Chad L. blew up when got out of moffits system
i think he put up 17 reps of 225 at the combine. it was wither 17 or 19 (either way: horrible)
quote:
Trev Faulk got a bad rep while he was in the NFL
he was slow
quote:
Glenn Dorsey was not a bust
he obviously has time to improve, but for a 1st year player at an easy position, he was a bust. he was seen as a weak, average athlete with horrible technique (that part is not moffit's fault) this year
dorsey isn't injured
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:09 pm to DBG
Below is taken from an article about the Hatch method of training.
Hatch combined Olympic lifts of free weights with plyometric and jumping drills to develop explosive strength for football players.
"Pure strength that can't be converted to athletic strength is of no use to an athlete," Hatch said, launching into an example using a former LSU football player. "A delivery man can move a refrigerator 10 yards, but he can't move it as fast as (former LSU defensive lineman) Booger McFarland can move it 10 yards.
"In Olympic-style lifts, you're standing on your feet. That's the way you play football. You're not laying on your back like you would for a bench press."
"In Olympic lifting and in football, your body is working as a single unit," Hatch said. "You don't use your hamstrings on one play and your pecs the next."
LINK
Maybe the Bench Press is not a key measure at LSU.
Hatch combined Olympic lifts of free weights with plyometric and jumping drills to develop explosive strength for football players.
"Pure strength that can't be converted to athletic strength is of no use to an athlete," Hatch said, launching into an example using a former LSU football player. "A delivery man can move a refrigerator 10 yards, but he can't move it as fast as (former LSU defensive lineman) Booger McFarland can move it 10 yards.
"In Olympic-style lifts, you're standing on your feet. That's the way you play football. You're not laying on your back like you would for a bench press."
"In Olympic lifting and in football, your body is working as a single unit," Hatch said. "You don't use your hamstrings on one play and your pecs the next."
LINK
Maybe the Bench Press is not a key measure at LSU.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:10 pm to death valley driver
you know there are different method of timing the forty.
high school coaches tend to fib those numbers
a lot of these guys gain so much muscle that speed does get hindered but their overall power output is higher
i doubt if moffitt spends so much time with these seniors after the football season is over. they can go to api or other places to learn how to perform these tests appropriately, not to mention there is always a learning curve to these tests.
high school coaches tend to fib those numbers
a lot of these guys gain so much muscle that speed does get hindered but their overall power output is higher
i doubt if moffitt spends so much time with these seniors after the football season is over. they can go to api or other places to learn how to perform these tests appropriately, not to mention there is always a learning curve to these tests.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:10 pm to DBG
But Bowe still got bigger without getting slower under Moffit. Landry too (although I suspect that he was friends with ARod's cousin, so maybe it's not Moffit).
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:11 pm to roscoethetiger
quote:
Don't even bother trying to explain to these retards that he is nationally recognized for his strength building programs
who is doubting that (other than NFL coaches)?
quote:
These idiots have never been involved in a sports program that actually has a strength coach so they don't know shite.
i have seen LSU players get called out as weak and not lifting well at the combine every year
but the lack of straight line speed is what really bugs me
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but it may be our talent level just not being the best
i know it's hard for some people here to believe but LSU doesn't corner the market on talen in the US.
and i think it's unfair to base it off the last two classes. look at his body of work at LSU. i only suggest this because i haven't. heh.
but this senor class wasn't exactly stellar. it was the dead year transition from saban to miles.
and who was a bust at the combine the year before that would make someone suspect they weren't trained right?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 4:11 pm to DBG
DBG Trev Faulk got a rep of not being a hard worker and having personality problems this was also true while he was at LSU in that he left to early because he did not get along with Saban
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