re: what is moffit doing

Don't forget about Joe Addai running a 4.3 also.

If you want to look at the best measure of a program and it's coaching then look at the players that get drafted VS the players that get into the league, make the team, and produce for that team.

We had people like Ali Highsmith have an average showing at the combine, not get drafted, and then make the team with the cardinals and has a NFC championship ring now. Do you really think that him having a slow 40 was the reason he slipped?? He ran a 4.7 at the Pro Day and it didn't help, but when they got him into camp he was a person that impressed enough to make it as a UFA and contributed on the field lastyear.

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does not apply

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it most certainly applies to your posts in general, including this thread. you tend to get so involved in detailed data that you end up finding only that which supports your point. it's demonstrable although you might not be aware of it and will probably employ it in a denial.

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my thoughts are based in historical data and a trend that has continued through this year

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precisely. you are supporting my point. confirmation bias. or you can keep ignoring it. clearly you don't understand the concept or else you wouldn't keep making posts that are susceptible to it.

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there isn't a contradiction present

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cognitive dissonance doesn't necessarily represent a contradiction. again, you're not working with me here.

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there are 3 options that i can tell

1. we're not as talented as we think we are. we don't recruit the stud athletes that we believe we do

2. moffit's training isn't as effective as we all think

3. moffit's training method is completely unique and uses performance measures different from every other CFB and NFL team

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whole lot of excluded middle here.

let's put this discussion into perspective:

1. moffit IS NOT EMPLOYED BY THE NFL. he is employed by lsu to win college football games first and foremost. lsu is vying for the team of the decade with two bcs championships and tons of wins over the best coached and most talented teams in all of college football. clearly, he is achieving his objective. any success in the draft/combine is gravy.

2. success in his (and indeed any) training program is directly proportionate to the committment of the individual. michael johnson was cited as having a successful combine. do not try to convince me that gt's s&c program is better than lsu's. IT IS NOT. some people have a unique committment and skill set to succeed at it.

a. there is no other conclusion to be drawn from the combine other than a player had a good combine.
b. the combine does not "seal your fate as an athlete" despite what you think.
c. saying that justin vincent was "bogged down" by the coaching staff shows just how deep your cognitive dissonance runs.

3. the combine is not the ultimate criterion for success in the nfl. it is a mitigation and nothing more. perhaps moffit, and the lsu staff as a whole, is aware of this and you are not. being a starter or being an "explosive nfl player" are not the only measures of professional football success.

sfp, btw, you never provided the definitions of the phrases i mentioned which in and of itself is also very telling about your methods on this board

Slow, the attached should give you some perspective. Maybe you've seen it. But the system LSU uses has been in place since Moffitt got here. It is the same system used by USC, with pretty good results. LINK

I'm not aware of a single player who ever blamed Moffitt for poor Combine performance. Many ex-LSU players still come back to work out with Tommy.

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and LSU consistently puts guys out who struggle in the weight training portions of workouts

i'd say it's the regimen since it happens year after year

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And year after year you (among others) have been complaining about how it will hurt our program, specifically our recruiting. And yet, here we are, after all these years of "poor performances" in the combine since Moffit arrived with three SEC Championships, two National Championships, and yet another top rated recruiting class. How long does our success on the field and in recruiting have to last before you will give up the false claim that the combine results will prevent us from having success?

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It is the same system used by USC, with pretty good results.

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well this is good evidence for your assertion that our talent level isn't what we think it is

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How long does our success on the field and in recruiting have to last before you will give up the false claim that the combine results will prevent us from having success?

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why even buy into argument that LSU players have poor combine results, a complete misrepresentation? Every school has players who don't perform at expected levels during Combine. But to imply it's a always a problem with LSU players is joke (Joey, you're not implying this, Slow is). I'm not aware of a single article which says that there's a systemic problem with LSU players underperforming at the combines.

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precisely. you are supporting my point. confirmation bias. or you can keep ignoring it. clearly you don't understand the concept or else you wouldn't keep making posts that are susceptible to it.

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confirmation bias requires an initial bias

i have no initial bias. we have been presented data over the past 5 years or so, and i'm attempting to interpret it. as i stated, there are 3 explanations that i can come up with

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1. moffit IS NOT EMPLOYED BY THE NFL. he is employed by lsu to win college football games first and foremost. lsu is vying for the team of the decade with two bcs championships and tons of wins over the best coached and most talented teams in all of college football. clearly, he is achieving his objective. any success in the draft/combine is gravy.

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but moffit's work is being judged compared to the work of other college S/C coaches at the combine and pro days

and the standards that the NFL looks for are constant and in line with every other program. is our's unique?

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2. success in his (and indeed any) training program is directly proportionate to the committment of the individual. michael johnson was cited as having a successful combine. do not try to convince me that gt's s&c program is better than lsu's. IT IS NOT. some people have a unique committment and skill set to succeed at it.

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ok i'll add a 4th possibility: LSU players in general are very lazy

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a. there is no other conclusion to be drawn from the combine other than a player had a good combine.

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and the combine, specifically the drills i'm discussing, is a measure of athleticism

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b. the combine does not "seal your fate as an athlete" despite what you think.

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it doesn't seal your fate, but it gives everyone an idea of what kind of athlete you are compared to others

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c. saying that justin vincent was "bogged down" by the coaching staff shows just how deep your cognitive dissonance runs.

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he just was bulked up too much. he's not the only one. this was not 100% of his problem

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3. the combine is not the ultimate criterion for success in the nfl.

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i'm talking about athleticism, not future success

the 2 are correlated, but there are outliers

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SlowFlowPro

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No scarlet "bitch" for Guidry?

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where were you all season?

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Moffit's arse was kissed so much here during the season he has a watermark on it.