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re: What is Miles' legacy if he never wins another NC at LSU?

Posted on 8/3/12 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 3:47 pm to
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"Lucky goofball that recruits well" Seriously, that is what many outside of LSU think of him and always will until he gets another NC all on "his own".

How many people?
Who are they?

Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 3:56 pm to
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but you cannot argue with the 3 national championships, including an undefeated season, that Saban has. Objectively, Saban is the better coach. I think every coach, especially SEC coaches that compete with him, is in Saban's shadow until one of them wins more championships.
Just think how all of what you just said would be different had 1/9 been a win for LSU.
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 3:57 pm to
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How many people?
Who are they?
If you haven't heard/read that then you need to get out more often.
Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 3:59 pm to
Really don't give a shite about Saban's shadow.

As for Les, he will have won one more NC than most coaches at LSU and elsewhere.
Posted by Stymie
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 4:17 pm to
CLM has baked his cake and its a BIG ONE too. Anything else is just icing and some Bubba Gump dressing on the side
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 4:26 pm to
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If you haven't heard/read that then you need to get out more often.


Other than the negative nellies that hang out in here? I'm talking about people that know something.
But humor me. Give me a credible source to back up your statement.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7273 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 4:58 pm to
Miles legacy will be accurately judged after his retirement.
His win/ loss record has been impressive. Sure there has been mistakes. No coach is perfect.

As we look at the problems other programs have had recently, we need to address the way Miles has run this program. Penn state is on death row. Joepa destroyed Penn state. It wasn't just or only Joe's fault but it was on his watch. What will be his legacy?
Look at ohio state. Sweater vest man Tressel left Ohio state in sanction hell. What's his legacy?
What about USCe? What's going to happen to north Carolina or Miami ?

There is more to a coach's legacy than just wins and losses. Miles has ran a clean program. Sure we had some problems, which were corrected, and some missteps. Our kids are getting their degrees at the highest percentage in recent history. We have much less police problems than many schools. I know, shady's was a blemish , but not the norm. Miles will have a great legacy at LSU if he continues as he his doing now.
Great seasons, national powerhouse, good kids, high grad rate and LSU's brand name is as high as ever.

Miles has done a fine job so far. His legacy is still a masterpiece in the making. He makes mistakes but his succeeds more than he fails by a long shot.
Posted by LSUFAN2005
Member since Aug 2004
1779 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 5:36 pm to
It meant if Miles never wins another NC here I don't think he will be remembered well. I believe people will think he should have won more because of the talent we've had. I personally think he will win a couple more before hes done.
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 5:50 pm to
saint4life,
welcome to the rant. you have gotten quite a response to your post. you might notice that there are both positigahs and negatigahs on the rant. your original question is legitimate. your additional responses easily demonstrate your negative attitude.
you might know that when people converse, only 10% are the actual words to a conversation. the other 90% are things like body posture, intelligence, psychological health, tone, strength, maturity, etc.
you show great weakness in personality. your need to exhibit criticism and opinions are just a reflection of your childhood nurturing. you are a great exhibit of a badly damaged childhood which is only duplicated in your negativity.
you are welcome to the rant, but, please understand, that you are being looked at as a rat with fleas. you will be in company with many other rats that cannot maintain any sense of fairness. you are pessimist, and sadly, you don't even like yourself.
whereas, we will even love you when you hate.
but.....

haters gotta hate.

clm is the greatest lsu coach ever, go suck saban's balls on the alabama boards.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 6:00 pm
Posted by eXfaktor
A 10 by 11 Dump
Member since Jan 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 5:57 pm to
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Will he go down as one of the most underperforming LSU coaches compared to the amount of talent he had at his disposal during his tenure here?

On a related note, what does he need to come out of Saban's shadow? Is there any chance he could retire as a better coach than Saban both in people's perception and in terms of championships won?



I think that you don't like Miles that much. While that's ok and you're completely entitled to your opinion, *singsong* your bias is showing!

Miles is already one of the top 4 coaches in LSU history along with Cholly Mac, Saban, and Dietzel, and barring any major collapses or scandals, will be the GOAT at LSU at the end of his career, without any more championships.

My listing above is up for criticism or additions.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 6:00 pm
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

I believe people will think he should have won more because of the talent we've had.
quote:

LSUFAN2005


talent, talent, talent???

has lsu/les had the #1 recruiting classes every year? NO

please show me where you think the talent is better than the other teams who have won. it should be easy for you TALENT EXCUSE GUYS to easily demonstrate this.

otherwise: STFU
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19537 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 6:31 pm to
nice alter dickbag.

Miles IS the winningest coach in LSU history. The just wins. over the NCG but that's better than losing to ULM and Utah (UAB for and LSU perspective)

Truth is, most wins, no OOC regular season losses to this point, only undefeated regular season, NC. Thanks Les
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 6:36 pm
Posted by LSUFAN2005
Member since Aug 2004
1779 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

I believe people will think


Hey dumbfrick read my post correctly. I never said anything as my opinion, only what I thought people might think.
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2754 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:01 pm to
Great question! I always thought of Miles (in the past) as a super recruiter and motivator and a good/quality coach - similar to Dale Brown in basketball. He jumped up a few notches when he won against USCE, Ala., and Fla. with some trickeraton in recent years IMHO.

Unfortunately in sport you are only as good as your last game perception wise so he really dropped a notch or two on the totem pole in that regard after the WTF was he thinking coaching performance in BCS title game.

However, had he won R2 against Nick the Prick he would be considered the best in college football heading into 2012. That's a pretty good jump from a hard-headed moron but that's the way it is in this day and age of what have you done for me lately.

Granted we were all disappointed in the seemingly lack of preparation for the title game and unwillingness to change. Not sure it would have altered the outcome. It was Alabama's night. Give the Tide credit.

To make a long response even longer (FU to the TL and DNR adolescents of the world) Miles will go down in LSU history/legacy as the best coach ever. Not bad at all. LSU is proud to have him around no matter how much of a dumbass he is perceived to be. I can tell you one thing. Not playing Lee will haunt him the rest of his coaching career and some people will NEVER forgive him. At the moment I'm not proud to say but I am one of them. I'll get over it when we win it all in 2012. NEXT!
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:03 pm to
[nevermind....

oh,
imho, my opinion is much better than your opinion.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 7:08 pm
Posted by eXfaktor
A 10 by 11 Dump
Member since Jan 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

Miles IS the winningest coach in LSU history.














quote:

Miles IS the winningest coach in LSU history.


Did you intentionally want to make Cholly Mac turn over in his grave?
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 7:19 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83077 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

talent, talent, talent??? has lsu/les had the #1 recruiting classes every year? NO please show me where you think the talent is better than the other teams who have won. it should be easy for you TALENT EXCUSE GUYS to easily demonstrate this.

The only time I thought LSU had superior talent and truly underperformed under Miles was 2006. 11-2 was nice but that should've been a NC.
Posted by Tigah32
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
5721 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:22 pm to
quote:

Will he go down as one of the most underperforming LSU coaches compared to the amount of talent he had at his disposal during his tenure here?
Yes he would.
quote:

On a related note, what does he need to come out of Saban's shadow?
One more NC.
quote:

Is there any chance he could retire as a better coach than Saban both in people's perception and in terms of championships won?
Yeah. Win more than Saban.

Winning is the almighty key in football. Win and people will love you, lose and they'll find someone else.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13057 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 7:50 pm to
Mostly agree w/ Dr. D.
Legacy:
A fine man, very good coach and great recruiter.
Given to spectacular and inexplicable game time -errors and lapses.
If he does not win BCS this year, will never do so again.
Posted by tigerblood29
Member since Sep 2009
3062 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 8:37 pm to
For all of the sunshine pumping in here you'd think Miles had done more than fall arse backwards into a nat. title.Dude is a fantastic recruiter,and a mediocre coach,who in most years is good for 1 wtf loss.
He runs a very clean program,and should be applauded for it.
Sorry to all his fans,he'll never be considered on par with Saban,short of winning more titles than him,which ain't gonna happen.
If he doesn't win it this year,he won't get another imo.
Overall,he seems to be a great guy who is very loyal to his players,in this regard he's far superior to Saban.
He'll be in the discussion for best ever at LSU,but I think he has always underachieved for the most part
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