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What is a good cfb coaches process?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:14 pm
what are the major parts of a good process and what could coach O do to emulate coach Sabans process? A good process is the most important part of cfb coaching and many think Orgeron is process challenged if he even has one. He maybe just calls his process a plan. Also using the word 'process' often when talking to the press is very important for high level coaching and I have never once heard Coach O say the word.
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:18 pm to boxcar willie
he's got the stroke and the resume to keep boosters at hand, stakes are too high at the big boy table for an incoming new coach to establish dominance, boosters want it and want it now, they also try to input their "expertise" into the plan, travel ball board/ 
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:24 pm to 777Tiger
#1 Recruiting
Saban does it better than anyone.
#2 Development
Saban does it better than anyone.
So far, only Smart seems to have replicated the process. #1 he is doing a great job recruiting
He did take advantage of a weak SEC East to make that run last year. Let's see if Mullen and Pruitt can put some pressure on him and Muschamp seems to have a better fit at USCe, but will never likely outrecruit the others.
Saban does it better than anyone.
#2 Development
Saban does it better than anyone.
So far, only Smart seems to have replicated the process. #1 he is doing a great job recruiting
He did take advantage of a weak SEC East to make that run last year. Let's see if Mullen and Pruitt can put some pressure on him and Muschamp seems to have a better fit at USCe, but will never likely outrecruit the others.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:26 pm to 777Tiger
A process defines the way that a task is carried out, and focuses so closely on every step within a task, that it could never be strategic. ... By understanding processes, your strategy be more pragmatic and ultimately more achievable, while giving you a balanced, viable and sustainable plan.
Does it really make a difference what you call it ?
Does it really make a difference what you call it ?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:27 pm to boxcar willie
Guys like Saban, Jimbo, Urban Myer, know how to build winning programs.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:28 pm to SabinBear
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Guys like Saban, Jimbo, Urban Myer, know how to build winning programs.
and have the dirty laundry to prove it!
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:29 pm to boxcar willie
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what are the major parts of a good process and what could coach O do to emulate coach Sabans process?
have a vision and execute it.
that does not mean "copy someone else". He needs to figure out what he thinks will allow him to be successful.
the problem is, imvho, he does not have the mental fortitude to handle the immense pressure that comes with this job. and so when things go wrong, he tries to adapt on the fly instead of sticking to his convictions. some will say that his willingness to adapt can be a positive, and that the refusal to adapt is what got his predecessor canned, but at the end of the day, you have to have some sort of core philosophy, and quite frankly, 18 months in, I don't think O knows what his is.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:29 pm to boxcar willie
1. Find the most incompetent AD in the country.
2. Give him a binder prepared by your greasy used-car salesman pal.
3. Immediately accept whatever terms offered without negotiating. **THIS IS IMPORTANT**
4. Promise the fans whatever they want to hear.
5. ??? (Don't worry you can figure this part out as you go.)
2. Give him a binder prepared by your greasy used-car salesman pal.
3. Immediately accept whatever terms offered without negotiating. **THIS IS IMPORTANT**
4. Promise the fans whatever they want to hear.
5. ??? (Don't worry you can figure this part out as you go.)
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:35 pm to boxcar willie
It's all about creating a culture that people want to be a part of. That's the coaches, the fans, administrators, and obviously college prospects. If you don't have that foundation you can't build anything. From there, a coach has to protect his program from both internal and external threats. Weed out the bad apples (both players and coaches), shut down conspiracy and rumor, and promote an image of competency.
Overall, it's the same type of stuff that any CEO faces when running a company.
Overall, it's the same type of stuff that any CEO faces when running a company.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:43 pm to boxcar willie
Has anyone been able to make chicken salad out of chicken shite yet?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:44 pm to tigernnola
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A process defines the way that a task is carried out, and focuses so closely on every step within a task, t
so coaching the fine points of, for example, how a DE rushes a passer. Everything from how to get off out the stance, to hand techniques, to spin moves, to watching indications to time blocking a pass, etc. All the details of playing a particular position in a specific situation on a particular play.
Do you think LSU's position coaches are weak in these areas and that we need better position coaches that know the process of playing the position better and who can transfer that info to the players better?
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By understanding processes, your strategy be more pragmatic and ultimately more achievable,
so what you are saying is if our coaches could understand (and I would assume you mean teach as well) the fine points better, it will work better in the real world, and we will more? basically?
is that one of the failures in coach Orgerons process?
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while giving you a balanced, viable and sustainable plan.
a more balanced (offense attack?) will make it more likely in reality that we will win more often on a long term basis
I hope so because that is one thing Ensminger wants to bring in is a more balanced and open offense. I like that part of the process a lot.
quote:it is important to a lot of people for the coach to call it a "process", so yes it does make a difference.
Does it really make a difference what you call it ?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:46 pm to SabinBear
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Guys like Saban, Jimbo, Urban Myer, know how to build winning programs.
but you have to be more specific. They have to have a 'process'. So what exactly is it about their process that is different?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:47 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:53 pm to boxcar willie
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Do you think LSU's position coaches are weak in these areas and that we need better position coaches that know the process of playing the position better and who can transfer that info to the players better?
O is a DL guru. I don't think he lacks competency in that field at all. It's actually his competence at being a DL coach and at recruiting to a lesser extent that has got him to where he is today.
Really, it doesn't matter what offensive scheme you run or what plays you call. Having a successful college football program comes down to having the right people in the right culture doing the right things.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:56 pm to Dave England
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ome will say that his willingness to adapt can be a positive, and that the refusal to adapt is what got his predecessor canned, but at the end of the day, you have to have some sort of core philosophy,
Miles particular process of loyalty to his OC and loyalty to a specific idiocentric offense core philosophy contributed greatly to his departure. His process was out of wack in those areas.
Perhaps a process should be somewhat flexible as new info comes in.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:56 pm to boxcar willie
quote:HC should coach his coaches.
what are the major parts of a good process and what could coach O do to emulate coach Sabans process? A good process is the most important part of cfb coaching and many think Orgeron is process challenged if he even has one. He maybe just calls his process a plan. Also using the word 'process' often when talking to the press is very important for high level coaching and I have never once heard Coach O say the word.
There's too much to do, you get more "coverage", i.e. more impact on more players, by A) communicating what you want strategically B) expectations on a individual level (that's what position coaches are for) and C) making sure A & B match across the board, with your coaches, to fit the overall plan.
In short, delegate, but with a whole lot of oversight of those delegated too.
If you have 9 other coaches basically coaching like you would, you are having 9X the impact. So instead of coaching 100 players, coach those 9 coaches.
Saban runs a team like a business. Each coach is a "department". You have goals and expectations from each department. It's his job to make each department pull in the same direction that he, the CEO, has decided to go in.
Yes, he does 1 on 1 coaching. All good CEO's do some "management by walking around". However, if he has to chew an individual players arse, his coach is going to get some. The assumption is that if a player has failed, his "department's" coach has ALSO failed.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 4:58 pm to boxcar willie
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So what exactly is it about their process that is different?
It's actually been proven to work.
They've used their processes at one or more different institutions to build or sustain winning programs. Starts with recruiting, continues with accountability, dedication to detail and a measure of delegation (see: hiring the right assistants who can carry out the process and philsophy and develop the players that were recruited in the first place)
Bottom line though, you have to have a vision in the first place. O fails the first requirement.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:01 pm to rmnldr
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Really, it doesn't matter what offensive scheme you run or what plays you call. Having a successful college football program comes down to having the right people in the right culture doing the right things.
It's important to, at the very least, have a preferred offensive identity or philosophy. Once you've at least gotten over that hump, you can recruit the right kids and hire the right assistants to ensure that identity and philosophy is implemented as best as it can. Les' philosophy/identity may have been antiquated but he stuck to it, and even as predictable and inept as we were towards the end of his tenure on offense, we still were never straight up bad. Because Les still had a vision and still was recruiting at a VERY high level.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:01 pm to boxcar willie
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what are the major parts of a good process and what could coach O do to emulate coach Sabans process?
O would have to make a deal with the devil to come close to emulating Saban’s “Process”
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:05 pm to rmnldr
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Having a successful college football program comes down to having the right people in the right culture doing the right things.
do you think having a winning attitude through positive thinking is a failure of culture process? Is it putting the cart before the horse? Since we have not had a championship winning team since 2007 is it time to give up on a process culture of a positive winning attitude? Would it be a better process culture for the players to have the attitude that we probably won't win shite this year since we have only won the SEC west one time since 2007? Which is the better attitude process culture for the players to have, reality (which in this case would be negativity) or positivity?
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